IS Chilton really a Christian?

[pnyikos]

Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian. Here is a
follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole Judeo-Christian
foundation on which I am challenging him today.

On Sep 17, 9:39 pm, "(¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯) <http://
www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@p.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: no
>
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:37:53 -0700 (PDT),
>
>
>
> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >(¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
> >> Your apparent inability to do other than WHINE because
> >> social liberals tend to be self-assured (which is logical, since ALL relevant
> >> facts *support* their constant efforts to defend personal liberties
> >> against the hateful agendas of the bigots who seek to destroy them),
> >> while NOT citing anything that egalitarians are doing WRONG... is
> >> duly noted.
> > WHINE: an inchoate concept as used on Usenet;
> > were it made logically consistent and defined
> > broadly enough to encompass the most influential
> > uses in talk.abortion, talk.origins and alt.abortion,
> > it would mean "anything that can be construed,
> > in however strained a way, as a complaint,"
> > and hence would encompass much or all
> > of each of the following:
> > the Declaration of Independence, the Communist
> > Manifesto, Martin Luther King's "I have a
> > dream" speech, Mark Antony's funeral oration
> > in Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar_,
> > John the Baptist's denunciation of
> > Herod Antipas, and Jesus's "woe to you, scribes
> > and Pharisees, hypocrites" rant [more at RANT].
>
> I second Keegan's response to the above!

Kegan's response to the above, to the same rhread
[Subject: Re: Egalitarians KNOW that Almost All Bigots are
INCORRIGIBLE. By Exposing Bigots' Irrationality, We help NON-Bigots to
Avoid BECOMING Bigots!] posted to these same newsgroups,
went as follows:
-------------------------
and here, the plagiarizing professor seems so proud of his whining
that he tries to explain it to his 'students.' whoops, the
plagiarizing
professor forgot where he was.
====================== Keegan's contribution to:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/7a6c24ea02532e8c

Note the twice-repeated formula "plagiarizing professor".
For about a month now, Keegan has been showing his contempt for the
principles behind the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution and the
writ of *habeas corpus* by denying me and other readers the
information of what act of plagiarism he is [falsely, but that's
beside the point] accusing me of.

Chilton having seconded Keegan's screed, I now challenge him to
either:

(1) Tell me what act of plagiarism he thinks I am guilty of;

(2) Persuade Keegan to tell me what act of plagiarism he is accusing
me of;

(3) Retract his seconding, and apologize for it; or

(4) Deny that he was seconding the "plagiarizing professor" aspect of
what Keegan wrote AND
tell me exactly WHAT aspect of Keegan's screed he WAS seconding.

Failure to do any of the above will constitute further evidence
against Chilton's long-standing claim that he is a Christian.

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"
--Exodus 20: 16

Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
University of South Carolina
http://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/

The standard disclaimer is that I am writing purely on my own and not
representing the organization whose name appears in my work address.
That is part of what tenure is all about, but I don't think Keegan and
his minions know the first thing about tenure.

[pnyikos]

On Sep 20, 11:44 am, pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.

Here is a post where I challenged him on that; he never replied to it.

From: pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:09:08 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Dec 9 2009 1:09 am
Subject: Chilton a Christian? Re: Chilton regurgitating usual pabulum
Re: Exposing the LIES that Bigots Spew About MARRIAGE

On Dec 2, 7:48 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>"
<***@m.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:18:23 -0800 (PST),

> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
> > ...and you present no irrefutable facts that significantly
> > support your claim:

> LYING certainly is your long suit.

I have much higher standards for my first accusation of lying than you
do. In case you haven't noticed, I have yet to accuse you of lying.

Anyway, I was referring to the following claim:

> >> Exposing the LIES that BIGOTS Spew About MARRIAGE

I stand by what I said. Let's see what FACTS you can marshal.

> >> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:04:07 -0800 (PST),
> >> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
> >>>> "Non scrivetemi" <***@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote:
> >>>>> Homosexuals just took it upon themselves to find another
> >>>>> way to insult Christianity and the solemn vows of marriage.
> >>>> Gays are perfectly NORMAL people (just as left-handers and
> >>>> people with blue eyes are The sexual orientations are merely
> >>>> TRIVIAL variations of NORMALCY.
> >>> Irrelevant.
> >> Your obvious IGNORANCE is duly noted.
> > There is no ignorance in noting that sexual orientation has no
> > significant bearing on whether same-sex marriage is an insult to
> > Christianity and the solemn vows of *covenant* marriage.

> Yes there is because ALL supposed "covenant" and religious aspects
> attached to marriage are ARTIFICALLY-ascribed to it.

There you go again, alleging that Jesus's statement about "what God
has joined together" is something always ARTIFICIALLY ascribed to
marriage. Yet you call yourself a Christian!

> And THEN *only*
> when those involved CHOOSE such attributes. Who do NOT include the
> tens of millions of people who were (and are being) married CIVILLY in
> SECULAR circumstances... and the 17% of Americans to whom the Bible
> is both meaningless and worthless: The USA's **FIFTY MILLION** NON-
> Christians and NON-Jews.

Of which you seem to be one. Are Jesus's words alluded to above
meaningless and worthless TO YOU?

> No matter HOW much you may WISH that were different,

I never wished that, and if you think otherwise, you are making the
same mistake you made before in treating me like someone who hasn't
passed through several years of profound agnosticism, sometimes
bordering on atheism.

And yet, even back then, if someone had said what you said about
religious aspects of marriage, I would have seriously doubted their
commitment to Christian principles.

> there isn't
> one single damned thing you can do about that.

Nor is there a single damned thing YOU can do about it, to continue
belaboring the obvious.

> >>> Their orientation may be normal (but then, would you call an
> >>> orientation towards bestiality or necrphilia normal?) but some of
> >>> their behavior is over the top, just like a lot of behavior of people
> >>> of all races, genders and creeds is over the top.
> >> (1) Both bestiality and necrophilia are so RARE as to be an
> >> irrelevant thing for you to be trying to employ as a basis
> >> of comparison... besides being HARMLESS, unless an
> >> animal is hurt.
> > As rare as less than [5%] of the number who have homosexual
> > orientation? Do you have facts to back this up?

Evidently you do not, because you just keep pounding the table:

> 5% is **FIFTEEN MILLION** Americans. How often do you hear
> of cases of bestiality or necrophilia?

About as often as I heard of cases of homosexuality forty years ago.
Actual individual cases, not cases in textbooks. It wasn't
publicized, for obvious reasons.

> (Keep CLUTCHING at those
> straws, bigot. It's funnier than hell to watch!!)

Keep pounding the table, fool. It's funny to see you unable to pound
any FACTS about relative frequency. [Are you familiar with the old
lawyers' adage?]

And yet, you act as though FACTS were your strong suit. See way, way
above, where you accuse me of lying for saying you advance no facts
that significantly support your claim. Funny, isn't it?

TO BE CONTINUED

Peter Nyikos
================== end of post archived at
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/a2de771e6a33fb10

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<9367cf88-5445-46f2-bfdf-***@j2g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Sep 20, 11:44 am, pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> > doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> Here is a post where

the plagiarizing, idiotic professor is responding to himself again.

[pnyikos]

On Sep 20, 6:01 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <9367cf88-5445-46f2-bfdf-***@j2g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > On Sep 20, 11:44 am, pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> > > doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> > Here is a post where
>
> the plagiarizing, idiotic professor is responding to himself again.

Thus does Keegan reveal that he is so utterly bored with life that he
is impelled to make silly remarks about what any normal adult would
call an amplification of earlier remarks.

Jim, if Usenet were abolished during your lifetime, would you commit
suicide within a few days, with all meaning drained from your life?

Sociologists even have a category for that kind of suicide; it is
"suicide due to anomie".

Peter Nyikos

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<30c1890d-9159-493c-883c-***@q18g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Sep 20, 6:01 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <9367cf88-5445-46f2-bfdf-***@j2g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >  pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > On Sep 20, 11:44 am, pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> > > > doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
> >
> > > Here is a post where
> >
> > the plagiarizing, idiotic professor is responding to himself again.
>
> Thus does Keegan reveal that he

enjoys making fun of the plagiarizing professor's idiotic actions.

[pnyikos]

On Sep 20, 7:38 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <30c1890d-9159-493c-883c-***@q18g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > On Sep 20, 6:01 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <9367cf88-5445-46f2-bfdf-***@j2g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >  pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > On Sep 20, 11:44 am, pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> > > > > doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> > > > Here is a post where
>
> > > the plagiarizing, idiotic professor is responding to himself again.
>
> > Thus does Keegan reveal that he
>
> enjoys making fun of the plagiarizing professor's idiotic actions.

Thanks for reinforcing the point that you cravenly deleted:

------------------ begin repost
he is so utterly bored with life that he
is impelled to make silly remarks about what any normal adult would
call an amplification of earlier remarks.

Jim, if Usenet were abolished during your lifetime, would you commit
suicide within a few days, with all meaning drained from your life?

Sociologists even have a category for that kind of suicide; it is
"suicide due to anomie".

Peter Nyikos
============== end of repost

How much longer will you show your contempt for the principles behind
the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution and the writ of *habeas
corpus* by denying me and other readers the information of what act of
plagiarism you are [falsely, but that's beside the point] accusing me
of?

I see IAAH is flattering you in this thread. ("Imitation is the
sincerest form of flattery.")

Even an Englishman can relate to the concept of *habeas corpus* even
if his relation is thumbing his nose at the principles behind it. [I
don't know whether IAAH is an Englishman, but he comes across to me as
one.]

Peter Nyikos

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<6630fa9b-9681-429c-b51e-***@u13g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Sep 20, 7:38 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <30c1890d-9159-493c-883c-***@q18g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >  pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > On Sep 20, 6:01 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <9367cf88-5445-46f2-bfdf-***@j2g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > >  pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 20, 11:44 am, pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> > > > > > cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a
> > > > > > Christian.
> >
> > > > > Here is a post where
> >
> > > > the plagiarizing, idiotic professor is responding to himself
> > > > again.
> >
> > > Thus does Keegan reveal that he
> >
> > enjoys making fun of the plagiarizing professor's idiotic actions.
>
> Thanks for reinforcing

no reinforcement was necessary, plagiarist. your characterless actions
speak for themselves.

[Ray Fischer]

pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Sep 20, 6:01 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <9367cf88-5445-46f2-bfdf-***@j2g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>  pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> > On Sep 20, 11:44 am, pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> > > Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>> > > doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>>
>> > Here is a post where
>>
>> the plagiarizing, idiotic professor is responding to himself again.
>
>Thus does Keegan reveal that he is so utterly bored with life that he

The pompous asshole tries to bore people to death with yet more
tedious and self-serving bullshit.

--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:57:02 -0700 (PDT),
Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>>>> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Non scrivetemi" <***@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote:


[ ... ]

>>>>>>> Homosexuals just took it upon themselves to find another
>>>>>>> way to insult Christianity and the solemn vows of marriage.

>>>>>> Gays are perfectly NORMAL people (just as left-handers and
>>>>>> people with blue eyes are The sexual orientations are merely
>>>>>> TRIVIAL variations of NORMALCY.

>>>>> Irrelevant.

>>>> Your obvious IGNORANCE is duly noted.

>>> There is no ignorance in noting that sexual orientation has no
>>> significant bearing on whether same-sex marriage is an insult to
>>> Christianity and the solemn vows of *covenant* marriage.

>> Yes there is because ALL supposed "covenant" and religious
>> aspects attached to marriage are ARTIFICALLY-ascribed to it.

> There you go again, alleging that Jesus's statement about "what God
> has joined together" is something always ARTIFICIALLY ascribed to
> marriage. Yet you call yourself a Christian!

The ONLY **legal** marriages in America (and probably worldwide)
today are STATE-licensed ones. AND, in the USA, tens of millions of
people were married in *secular*/NON-religious circumstances. SO --
any attribution of religious aspects to weddings/marriages cannot HELP
but be arbitrarily-and artificially-ASCRIBED by those who CHOOSE to
do so. As I pointed out before ---

>> And THEN *only* when those involved CHOOSE such attributes.
>> Who do NOT include the tens of millions of people who were (and are
>> being) married CIVILLY in SECULAR circumstances... and the 17% of
>> Americans to whom the Bible is both meaningless and worthless:
>> The USA's **SIXTY-EIGHT MILLION** NON-Christians and NON-Jews.

> Of which you seem to be one.

However, that is an incorrect assessment. I'm a liberal-minded
(i.e., NOT fundie) Christian.

> Are Jesus's words alluded to above meaningless and worthless
> TO YOU?

Per Mark 10:9-12 (and also in Matthew), fundamentalists have a basis
for limiting divorce to cases of unfaithfulness only. But that was in a
world of far greater simplicity than ours today. It would be very inter-
esting to see how permissive He would be for OTHER, very significant
circumstances, if He could be asked about that TODAY.

That being said, we need to remember that the Bible is MEANINGLESS
to most who are not Jews or Christians (with limited exceptions for the
parts that are accepted by Muslims. And 22% of Americans are OTHER-
WISE.

The Jews, Christians, and Muslims can do as they choose with that
passage, or with any other aspects pertaining to marriage... and that
is THEIR business. Given the FACT that people ARE able to choose for
themselves how to deal with these things, any choice they make IS
an ARBITRARY one on *their* part, case-by-case, and NO one has the
right to interfere with that, unless a civil/statutory law is being broken
(e.g., polygamy).

When I got divorced 33 years ago, it was by mutual agreement with
my wife; things just weren't working out. (Ironically, we immediately
afterward found that we were each other's best friend, and it has been
that way ever since!) I haven't yet remarried, but if "Miss RIGHT" fin-
ally comes along, I WILL. And my ex finally re-married after being
single again for 25 years.

Back to those 68,000,000 Americans to whom the Bible is totally
MEANINGLESS: they owe NO allegiance whatsoever to anything that
it says, and it is NO one else's business what any of them choose to do
with respect to marriage and divorce.

And PER 1 Cor. 5:12-13, we who are Christians have NO business
butting into the affairs of other people either.

>> No matter HOW much you may WISH that were different, there
>> isn't one single damned thing you can do about that.

> I never wished that, and if you think otherwise, you are making the
> same mistake you made before in treating me like someone who hasn't
> passed through several years of profound agnosticism, sometimes
> bordering on atheism.
>
> And yet, even back then, if someone had said what you said about
> religious aspects of marriage, I would have seriously doubted their
> commitment to Christian principles.

I have made that clear, above.

>>>>> Their orientation may be normal (but then, would you call an
>>>>> orientation towards bestiality or necrphilia normal?) but some of
>>>>> their behavior is over the top, just like a lot of behavior of people
>>>>> of all races, genders and creeds is over the top.

>>>> (1) Both bestiality and necrophilia are so RARE as to be an
>>>> irrelevant thing for you to be trying to employ as a basis
>>>> of comparison... besides being HARMLESS, unless an
>>>> animal is hurt.

>>> As rare as less than [5%] of the number who have homosexual
>>> orientation? Do you have facts to back this up?

> Evidently you do not...

Actually, since claims are made that it's only 2% by the most hateful
and dishonest of homophobes... and 10% by the most wishful-thinking
of the gay rights groups, I simply figure that the most REALISTIC figure
to work with is in the middle -- around 5%.

>> 5% is **FIFTEEN MILLION** Americans. How often do you hear
>> of cases of bestiality or necrophilia?

> About as often as I heard of cases of homosexuality forty years ago.

Then you weren't listening. There was a LOT of verbal (and sometimes
physical) gay-bashing going on as far back as I can remember hearing
about such things -- about 60 years. I don't recall hearing about bashing
of people who were into bestiality or necrophilia at ANY time during all
those decades.

> Actual individual cases, not cases in textbooks. It wasn't publicized,
> for obvious reasons.


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[Ray Fischer]

pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.

Your views on abortion and marriage cast serious doubts as to whether
you are a christian.

--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net

[J]

"Ray Fischer" <***@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4c978a46$0$1652$***@news.sonic.net...
> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>>doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> Your views on abortion and marriage cast serious doubts as to whether
> you are a christian.
>



Why do you chastise people who believe in traditional values? Why does the
concept of life enrage you so?




--
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[Ray Fischer]

J <***@live.com> wrote:
>
>"Ray Fischer" <***@sonic.net> wrote in message
>news:4c978a46$0$1652$***@news.sonic.net...
>> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>>>doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>>
>> Your views on abortion and marriage cast serious doubts as to whether
>> you are a christian.
>
>Why do you chastise people who believe in traditional values?

"Traditional values" is just a code phrase used to justify destroying
freedom and imposing fascism.

--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net

[The Chief Instigator]

On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:47:50 -0400, J <***@live.com> wrote:
>
> "Ray Fischer" <***@sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:4c978a46$0$1652$***@news.sonic.net...
>> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>>>doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>>
>> Your views on abortion and marriage cast serious doubts as to whether
>> you are a christian.
>
> Why do you chastise people who believe in traditional values? Why does the
> concept of life enrage you so?

If you're still pretending that you can read minds, Junkie, why are you
whining as usual?

--
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www.prismnet.com/~patrick (TCI's 2009-10 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
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[pnyikos]

On Sep 21, 1:34 am, The Chief Instigator <***@io.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:47:50 -0400, J <***@live.com> wrote:
>
> > "Ray Fischer" <***@sonic.net> wrote in message
> >news:4c978a46$0$1652$***@news.sonic.net...
> >> pnyikos  <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>>Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> >>>doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> >> Your views on abortion and marriage cast serious doubts as to whether
> >> you are a christian.
>
> > Why do you chastise people who believe in traditional values? Why does the
> > concept of life enrage you so?
>
> If you're still pretending that you can read minds, Junkie, why are you
> whining as usual?

Maybe he does care about unborn children. LC thinks not-- he
documented a disparaging remark J made about pro-life women generally
lacking sex appeal--but that could just have been something akin to
self-deprecating humor. I haven't seen the context yet.

Peter Nyikos

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

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On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:21:11 -0700 (PDT),
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:


> "unborn children"...

...is an OXYMORON. Like "undead corpses."

A **lame** term employed by bigots who are MORONIC
enough to be ANTI-Choicers, as they seek to elicit emotional
responses who are EQUALLY idiotic.


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

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== Omission correction ==

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:21:11 -0700 (PDT),
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:


> "unborn children"...

...is an OXYMORON. Like "undead corpses."

A **lame** term employed by bigots who are MORONIC
enough to be ANTI-Choicers, as they seek to elicit emotional
responses from others who are EQUALLY idiotic.


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[pnyikos]

On Sep 20, 12:22 pm, ***@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> pnyikos  <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> >doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> Your views on abortion and marriage cast serious doubts as to whether
> you are a christian.

My views on marriage are solidlly mainstream Christian, and morally I
am opposed to all abortions; it is just that I am also pro-choice to a
limited extent, as are lots of Christian denominations.

Try again.

Oh, wait, you weren't really trying at all, were you? You were just
playing tit-for-tat games with what I wrote, weren't you?

You are a troll, aren't you?

Peter Nyikos

[Ray Fischer]

pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Sep 20, 12:22 pm, ***@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> pnyikos  <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>> >doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>>
>> Your views on abortion and marriage cast serious doubts as to whether
>> you are a christian.
>
>My views on marriage are solidlly mainstream Christian,

And because you hate American freedoms and want to force everybody to
live by your cult's rules, you show nothing but contempt for both
America AND Christianity.

> and morally

You don't have morals.

> I
>am opposed to all abortions; it is just that I am also pro-choice

As liars go you're really quite stupid.

--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net

[pnyikos]

On Sep 21, 12:53 am, ***@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> pnyikos  <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >On Sep 20, 12:22 pm, ***@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> pnyikos  <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> >Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> >> >doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> >> Your views on abortion and marriage cast serious doubts as to whether
> >> you are a christian.
>
> >My views on marriage are solidlly mainstream Christian,
>
> And because you hate American freedoms and want to force everybody to
> live by your cult's rules, you show nothing but contempt for both
> America AND Christianity.

As usual when you say such things, you are speaking to a figment of
your imagination which bears no relation to reality. And, as usual,
you aren't even pretending to try to justify it.

> > and morally
>
> You don't have morals.
>
> > I
> >am opposed to all abortions; it is just that I am also pro-choice
>
> As liars go you're really quite stupid.

As deleters go, you are especially dishonest. You deleted the word
"morally" before "opposed." You wouldn't even think of doing that to
Mario Cuomo, the man who made "morally opposed to abortion but..."
into a household phrase, would you?

Of course, you also deleted the qualifying phrase that came after "pro-
choice". It just so happens that no less an authority than Craig
Chilton :-)
has lumped me in among the 75% of people that he calls "pro-choice".

Anyway, thanks for demonstrating just how completely you project every
time you assert that I am a man without morals. Your deletia were
done for the purpose of making your bare-faced lie convincing, and NOT
because, as you so often LIE, that the things you deleted are
"bullshit."

Peter Nyikos

[Ray Fischer]

pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Sep 21, 12:53 am, ***@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> pnyikos  <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >On Sep 20, 12:22 pm, ***@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> >> pnyikos  <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >> >Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>> >> >doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>>
>> >> Your views on abortion and marriage cast serious doubts as to whether
>> >> you are a christian.
>>
>> >My views on marriage are solidlly mainstream Christian,
>>
>> And because you hate American freedoms and want to force everybody to
>> live by your cult's rules, you show nothing but contempt for both
>> America AND Christianity.
>
>As usual when you say such things, you are speaking to a figment of
>your imagination which bears no relation to reality.

You're lying, of course. From abortion to marriage to free speech to
sexuality and contraception we see again and again you religious assholes
trying to force people to obey your cult's rules.

>> > and morally
>>
>> You don't have morals.
>>
>> > I
>> >am opposed to all abortions; it is just that I am also pro-choice
>>
>> As liars go you're really quite stupid.
>
>As deleters go, you are especially dishonest.

You contradict yourself in one sentence.

That makes you a dumbshit liar.

--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:25:00 -0700 (PDT),
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:


> It just so happens that no less an authority than Craig
> Chilton has lumped me in among the 75% of people that he
> calls "pro-choice".

There are GRADATIONS of Pro-Choicers, and you have
made it clear that you don't protest people's having abortions
during the first 8 weeks, I think you've said, of gestation.

The ONLY people who TRULY are ANTI-Choicers are the
ones who are IGNORANT enough to equate mere RPEs with
already-born PEOPLE. And thus are unalterably opposed to
ALL abortions, regardless of circumstances. Only 23% of
Americans are THAT moronic. And with their numbers being
*that* low, America will NEVER again allow girls or women to
be FORCED to gestate UNwanted pregnancies to term!

The main thing NOW is for America to SCRAP any and all
laws that in ANY way *limit* access to this valuable remedy
to ANY girl or woman, anywhere in America. Only THEN will
we be a completely fair and free nation in that regard.


*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

In ALL Accident Cases, REMEDIES
are HUGELY-Beneficial!

Just as when a person gets injured in an auto accident, he
has the perfect RIGHT to either ACCEPT remedial treatment for
the injuries, or DECLINE it.

When an ILL-timed pregnancy (i.e., an accident) results
from sex that had been meant to be only recreational, THEN
the woman is faced with this CHOICE: To ACCEPT the avail-
able REMEDY that would UNDO that damage instantly, and
would thus RESTORE to her the full range of future opportun-
ities that she'd had *before* the accident: abortion. OR to
DECLINE that remedy and LOSE those opportunities to which
she'd previously had before her, in a trade-off for poorly-timed
childbirth.

In my opinion, MOST of the time she *declines* the remedy
at the expense of the catastrophic loss of so many future oppor-
tunities, she's making a huge mistake, and hasn't thought those
ramifications through well enough. BUT -- as a Pro-CHOICER, it
is incumbent upon me to accept the fact that it is HER body and
HER life, and therefore SHE, and she ONLY, has a total RIGHT
to CHOOSE *either* of those options. NO one *else's* business!

Not even REMOTELY **anyone ELSE'S** business.

ANTI-Choicers are some of the world's WORST busybodies
and control-freaks. They are totally without excuse. LOSERS!!

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[pnyikos]

On Sep 21, 12:53 am, ***@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> pnyikos  <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >On Sep 20, 12:22 pm, ***@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> pnyikos  <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> >Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> >> >doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> >> Your views on abortion and marriage cast serious doubts as to whether
> >> you are a christian.
>
> >My views on marriage are solidlly mainstream Christian,
>
> And because you hate American freedoms and want to force everybody to
> live by your cult's rules, you show nothing but contempt for both
> America AND Christianity.

That is a bare-faced lie, and you cannot back it up.

Having said that, I must confess to a careless mistake. The first
time I responded to this post of Fischer's, 'd forgotten that I had
used an unusual word order in the next thing I said, and a childish
taunt Fischer posted between "and morally" and "I am" distracted me
so much that I thought I'd put "morally" after "I am" and that Fischer
had deleted it.

Here is how it reads, without the childish interpolation by Fischer,
followed by a restoration of nine lines I wrote after "pro-choice"
all of which Fischer DID delete:

> > and morally I
> > am opposed to all abortions; it is just that I am also pro-choice
>>to a
>>limited extent, as are lots of Christian denominations.
>
>>Try again.
>
>>Oh, wait, you weren't really trying at all, were you? You were just
>>playing tit-for-tat games with what I wrote, weren't you?
>
>>You are a troll, aren't you?

> As liars go you're really quite stupid.

This closing sentence of yours is a complete *non sequitur*. You
wouldn't even think of taunting Mario Cuomo that way, would you? He
was the man who made "morally opposed to abortion but..." into a
household phrase.

Peter Nyikos

[Ray Fischer]

pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Sep 21, 12:53 am, ***@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> pnyikos  <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >On Sep 20, 12:22 pm, ***@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> >> pnyikos  <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>> >> >Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>> >> >doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>>
>> >> Your views on abortion and marriage cast serious doubts as to whether
>> >> you are a christian.
>>
>> >My views on marriage are solidlly mainstream Christian,
>>
>> And because you hate American freedoms and want to force everybody to
>> live by your cult's rules, you show nothing but contempt for both
>> America AND Christianity.
>
>That is a bare-faced lie, and you cannot back it up.

You want to keep gay marriage illegal even though the Constitution
requires it. You also reject Jesus's statement that you should
give to those who ask of you.

>Having said that, I must confess to a careless mistake.

Just one?!?

--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net

[Enos Penvy]

Ray Fischer schrieb:
> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >On Sep 21, 12:53�am, ***@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> pnyikos �<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> >On Sep 20, 12:22�pm, ***@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> >> pnyikos �<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> >> >> >doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
> >>
> >> >> Your views on abortion and marriage cast serious doubts as to whether
> >> >> you are a christian.
> >>
> >> >My views on marriage are solidlly mainstream Christian,
> >>
> >> And because you hate American freedoms and want to force everybody to
> >> live by your cult's rules, you show nothing but contempt for both
> >> America AND Christianity.
> >
> >That is a bare-faced lie, and you cannot back it up.
>
> You want to keep gay marriage illegal even though the Constitution
> requires it. You also reject Jesus's statement that you should
> give to those who ask of you.
>
> >Having said that, I must confess to a careless mistake.
>
> Just one?!?

The biggest mistake is thinking Mr. Craig Chilton is anything but an
egalitarian
GENIUS. He is a General in civil rights II and I wish to pattern
myself after him
and become an egalitarian. I am gay and i hope Mr. Chilton will take
me under his
wing and tutor me in the intricacies of egalitarianism to better serve
my kind. I want
to be a credit to my race and i want to be an important part of civil
rights II.!

[i***@gmail.com]

On Sep 20, 10:44 am, pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.  Here is a
> follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole Judeo-Christian
> foundation on which I am challenging him today.
>
> On Sep 17, 9:39 pm, "(¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯)  <http://
>
>
>
>
>
> www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@p.com> wrote:
> > X-No-Archive: no
>
> > On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:37:53 -0700 (PDT),
>
> > pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > >(¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯)  <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
> > >>       Your apparent inability to do other than WHINE because
> > >> social liberals tend to be self-assured (which is logical, since ALL relevant
> > >> facts *support* their constant efforts to defend personal liberties
> > >> against the hateful agendas of the bigots who seek to destroy them),
> > >> while NOT citing anything that egalitarians are doing WRONG... is
> > >> duly noted.
> > > WHINE: an inchoate concept as used on Usenet;
> > > were it made logically consistent and defined
> > > broadly enough to encompass the most influential
> > > uses in talk.abortion, talk.origins and alt.abortion,
> > > it would mean "anything that can be construed,
> > > in however strained a way, as a complaint,"
> > > and hence would encompass much or all
> > > of each of the following:
> > > the Declaration of Independence, the Communist
> > > Manifesto, Martin Luther King's "I have a
> > > dream" speech, Mark Antony's funeral oration
> > > in Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar_,
> > > John the Baptist's denunciation of
> > > Herod Antipas, and Jesus's "woe to you, scribes
> > > and Pharisees, hypocrites" rant [more at RANT].
>
> >      I second Keegan's response to the above!
>
> Kegan's response to the above, to the same rhread
> [Subject: Re: Egalitarians KNOW that Almost All Bigots are
> INCORRIGIBLE. By Exposing Bigots' Irrationality, We help NON-Bigots to
> Avoid BECOMING Bigots!] posted to these same newsgroups,
> went as follows:
> -------------------------
>    and here, the plagiarizing professor seems so proud of his whining
>    that he tries to explain it to his 'students.' whoops, the
> plagiarizing
>    professor forgot where he was.
> ====================== Keegan's contribution to:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/7a6c24ea02532e8c
>
> Note the twice-repeated formula "plagiarizing professor".
> For about a month now, Keegan has been showing his contempt for the
> principles behind the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution and the
> writ of *habeas corpus* by denying me and other readers the
> information of what act of plagiarism he is [falsely, but that's
> beside the point] accusing me of.
>
> Chilton having seconded Keegan's screed, I now challenge him to
> either:
>
> (1) Tell me what act of plagiarism he thinks I am guilty of;
>
> (2) Persuade Keegan to tell me what act of plagiarism he is accusing
> me of;
>
> (3) Retract his seconding, and apologize for it; or
>
> (4) Deny that he was seconding the "plagiarizing professor" aspect of
> what Keegan wrote AND
> tell me exactly WHAT aspect of Keegan's screed he WAS seconding.
>
> Failure to do any of the above will constitute further evidence
> against Chilton's long-standing claim that he is a Christian.
>
>     "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"
>          --Exodus 20: 16
>
> Peter Nyikos
> Professor, Dept. of Mathematics         -- standard disclaimer--
> University of South Carolinahttp://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/
>
> The standard disclaimer is that I am writing purely on my own and not
> representing the organization whose name appears in my work address.
> That is part of what tenure is all about, but I don't think Keegan and
> his minions know the first thing about tenure.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

By what objective standard are you using to determine if one is a real
Christian, a follower of Christ ? Please list the specific standard.

[pnyikos]

On Sep 20, 12:41 pm, "***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 20, 10:44 am, pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> > doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.  Here is a
> > follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole Judeo-Christian
> > foundation on which I am challenging him today.
>
> > On Sep 17, 9:39 pm, "(¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯)  <http://
>
> >www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@p.com> wrote:
> > > X-No-Archive: no
>
> > > On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:37:53 -0700 (PDT),
>
> > > pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > >(¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯)  <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
> > > >>       Your apparent inability to do other than WHINE because
> > > >> social liberals tend to be self-assured (which is logical, since ALL relevant
> > > >> facts *support* their constant efforts to defend personal liberties
> > > >> against the hateful agendas of the bigots who seek to destroy them),
> > > >> while NOT citing anything that egalitarians are doing WRONG... is
> > > >> duly noted.
> > > > WHINE: an inchoate concept as used on Usenet;
> > > > were it made logically consistent and defined
> > > > broadly enough to encompass the most influential
> > > > uses in talk.abortion, talk.origins and alt.abortion,
> > > > it would mean "anything that can be construed,
> > > > in however strained a way, as a complaint,"
> > > > and hence would encompass much or all
> > > > of each of the following:
> > > > the Declaration of Independence, the Communist
> > > > Manifesto, Martin Luther King's "I have a
> > > > dream" speech, Mark Antony's funeral oration
> > > > in Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar_,
> > > > John the Baptist's denunciation of
> > > > Herod Antipas, and Jesus's "woe to you, scribes
> > > > and Pharisees, hypocrites" rant [more at RANT].
>
> > >      I second Keegan's response to the above!
>
> > Kegan's response to the above, to the same rhread
> > [Subject: Re: Egalitarians KNOW that Almost All Bigots are
> > INCORRIGIBLE. By Exposing Bigots' Irrationality, We help NON-Bigots to
> > Avoid BECOMING Bigots!] posted to these same newsgroups,
> > went as follows:
> > -------------------------
> >    and here, the plagiarizing professor seems so proud of his whining
> >    that he tries to explain it to his 'students.' whoops, the
> > plagiarizing
> >    professor forgot where he was.
> > ====================== Keegan's contribution to:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/7a6c24ea02532e8c
>
> > Note the twice-repeated formula "plagiarizing professor".
> > For about a month now, Keegan has been showing his contempt for the
> > principles behind the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution and the
> > writ of *habeas corpus* by denying me and other readers the
> > information of what act of plagiarism he is [falsely, but that's
> > beside the point] accusing me of.
>
> > Chilton having seconded Keegan's screed, I now challenge him to
> > either:
>
> > (1) Tell me what act of plagiarism he thinks I am guilty of;
>
> > (2) Persuade Keegan to tell me what act of plagiarism he is accusing
> > me of;
>
> > (3) Retract his seconding, and apologize for it; or
>
> > (4) Deny that he was seconding the "plagiarizing professor" aspect of
> > what Keegan wrote AND
> > tell me exactly WHAT aspect of Keegan's screed he WAS seconding.
>
> > Failure to do any of the above will constitute further evidence
> > against Chilton's long-standing claim that he is a Christian.
>
> >     "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"
> >          --Exodus 20: 16
>
> > Peter Nyikos
> > Professor, Dept. of Mathematics         -- standard disclaimer--
> > University of South Carolinahttp://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/
>
> > The standard disclaimer is that I am writing purely on my own and not
> > representing the organization whose name appears in my work address.
> > That is part of what tenure is all about, but I don't think Keegan and
> > his minions know the first thing about tenure.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one is a real
> Christian, a follower of Christ ?   Please list the specific standard.

There are many standards, but ALL of them include at least some
attempt to live up to the Commandments, and also include respect for
Jesus's teachings.

So, anything that looks like a serious deviation from those standards,
coupled with a lack of responsibility about dealing with those
deviations, casts serious doubt on the sincerity of anyone's claim to
be a Christian.

Peter Nyikos

Peter Nyikos

[IAAH]

On 09-20-10 2:05 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> On Sep 20, 12:41 pm, "***@gmail.com"<***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 10:44 am, pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian. Here is a
>>> follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole Judeo-Christian
>>> foundation on which I am challenging him today.
>>
>>> On Sep 17, 9:39 pm, "(¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯)<http://
>>
>>> www.LayoffRemedy.com>"<***@p.com> wrote:
>>>> X-No-Archive: no
>>
>>>> On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:37:53 -0700 (PDT),
>>
>>>> pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>> (¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯)<http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Your apparent inability to do other than WHINE because
>>>>>> social liberals tend to be self-assured (which is logical, since ALL relevant
>>>>>> facts *support* their constant efforts to defend personal liberties
>>>>>> against the hateful agendas of the bigots who seek to destroy them),
>>>>>> while NOT citing anything that egalitarians are doing WRONG... is
>>>>>> duly noted.
>>>>> WHINE: an inchoate concept as used on Usenet;
>>>>> were it made logically consistent and defined
>>>>> broadly enough to encompass the most influential
>>>>> uses in talk.abortion, talk.origins and alt.abortion,
>>>>> it would mean "anything that can be construed,
>>>>> in however strained a way, as a complaint,"
>>>>> and hence would encompass much or all
>>>>> of each of the following:
>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, the Communist
>>>>> Manifesto, Martin Luther King's "I have a
>>>>> dream" speech, Mark Antony's funeral oration
>>>>> in Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar_,
>>>>> John the Baptist's denunciation of
>>>>> Herod Antipas, and Jesus's "woe to you, scribes
>>>>> and Pharisees, hypocrites" rant [more at RANT].
>>
>>>> I second Keegan's response to the above!
>>
>>> Kegan's response to the above, to the same rhread
>>> [Subject: Re: Egalitarians KNOW that Almost All Bigots are
>>> INCORRIGIBLE. By Exposing Bigots' Irrationality, We help NON-Bigots to
>>> Avoid BECOMING Bigots!] posted to these same newsgroups,
>>> went as follows:
>>> -------------------------
>>> and here, the plagiarizing professor seems so proud of his whining
>>> that he tries to explain it to his 'students.' whoops, the
>>> plagiarizing
>>> professor forgot where he was.
>>> ====================== Keegan's contribution to:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/7a6c24ea02532e8c
>>
>>> Note the twice-repeated formula "plagiarizing professor".
>>> For about a month now, Keegan has been showing his contempt for the
>>> principles behind the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution and the
>>> writ of *habeas corpus* by denying me and other readers the
>>> information of what act of plagiarism he is [falsely, but that's
>>> beside the point] accusing me of.
>>
>>> Chilton having seconded Keegan's screed, I now challenge him to
>>> either:
>>
>>> (1) Tell me what act of plagiarism he thinks I am guilty of;
>>
>>> (2) Persuade Keegan to tell me what act of plagiarism he is accusing
>>> me of;
>>
>>> (3) Retract his seconding, and apologize for it; or
>>
>>> (4) Deny that he was seconding the "plagiarizing professor" aspect of
>>> what Keegan wrote AND
>>> tell me exactly WHAT aspect of Keegan's screed he WAS seconding.
>>
>>> Failure to do any of the above will constitute further evidence
>>> against Chilton's long-standing claim that he is a Christian.
>>
>>> "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"
>>> --Exodus 20: 16
>>
>>> Peter Nyikos
>>> Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
>>> University of South Carolinahttp://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/
>>
>>> The standard disclaimer is that I am writing purely on my own and not
>>> representing the organization whose name appears in my work address.
>>> That is part of what tenure is all about, but I don't think Keegan and
>>> his minions know the first thing about tenure.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one is a real
>> Christian, a follower of Christ ? Please list the specific standard.
>
> There are many standards, but ALL of them include at least some
> attempt to live up to the Commandments, and also include respect for
> Jesus's teachings.
>
> So, anything that looks like a serious deviation from those standards,

So when you were lying multiple times about what I had written, did you
decide that you weren't a Christian that day, nyikook?

You know, what with the bearing false witness, and all that.


--

"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying
to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the
board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."
- Scott D. Weitzenhoffer

[pnyikos]

On Sep 20, 7:37 pm, IAAH <***@email.exist> wrote:
> On 09-20-10 2:05 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 20, 12:41 pm, "***@gmail.com"<***@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On Sep 20, 10:44 am, pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>  wrote:
>
> >>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> >>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.  Here is a
> >>> follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole Judeo-Christian
> >>> foundation on which I am challenging him today.
>
> >>> On Sep 17, 9:39 pm, "(¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯)<http://
>
> >>>www.LayoffRemedy.com>"<***@p.com>  wrote:
> >>>> X-No-Archive: no
>
> >>>> On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:37:53 -0700 (PDT),
>
> >>>> pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>  wrote:
> >>>>> (¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯)<http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>>        Your apparent inability to do other than WHINE because
> >>>>>> social liberals tend to be self-assured (which is logical, since ALL relevant
> >>>>>> facts *support* their constant efforts to defend personal liberties
> >>>>>> against the hateful agendas of the bigots who seek to destroy them),
> >>>>>> while NOT citing anything that egalitarians are doing WRONG... is
> >>>>>> duly noted.
> >>>>> WHINE: an inchoate concept as used on Usenet;
> >>>>> were it made logically consistent and defined
> >>>>> broadly enough to encompass the most influential
> >>>>> uses in talk.abortion, talk.origins and alt.abortion,
> >>>>> it would mean "anything that can be construed,
> >>>>> in however strained a way, as a complaint,"
> >>>>> and hence would encompass much or all
> >>>>> of each of the following:
> >>>>> the Declaration of Independence, the Communist
> >>>>> Manifesto, Martin Luther King's "I have a
> >>>>> dream" speech, Mark Antony's funeral oration
> >>>>> in Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar_,
> >>>>> John the Baptist's denunciation of
> >>>>> Herod Antipas, and Jesus's "woe to you, scribes
> >>>>> and Pharisees, hypocrites" rant [more at RANT].
>
> >>>>       I second Keegan's response to the above!
>
> >>> Kegan's response to the above, to the same rhread
> >>> [Subject: Re: Egalitarians KNOW that Almost All Bigots are
> >>> INCORRIGIBLE. By Exposing Bigots' Irrationality, We help NON-Bigots to
> >>> Avoid BECOMING Bigots!] posted to these same newsgroups,
> >>> went as follows:
> >>> -------------------------
> >>>     and here, the plagiarizing professor seems so proud of his whining
> >>>     that he tries to explain it to his 'students.' whoops, the
> >>> plagiarizing
> >>>     professor forgot where he was.
> >>> ====================== Keegan's contribution to:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/7a6c24ea02532e8c
>
> >>> Note the twice-repeated formula "plagiarizing professor".
> >>> For about a month now, Keegan has been showing his contempt for the
> >>> principles behind the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution and the
> >>> writ of *habeas corpus* by denying me and other readers the
> >>> information of what act of plagiarism he is [falsely, but that's
> >>> beside the point] accusing me of.
>
> >>> Chilton having seconded Keegan's screed, I now challenge him to
> >>> either:
>
> >>> (1) Tell me what act of plagiarism he thinks I am guilty of;
>
> >>> (2) Persuade Keegan to tell me what act of plagiarism he is accusing
> >>> me of;
>
> >>> (3) Retract his seconding, and apologize for it; or
>
> >>> (4) Deny that he was seconding the "plagiarizing professor" aspect of
> >>> what Keegan wrote AND
> >>> tell me exactly WHAT aspect of Keegan's screed he WAS seconding.
>
> >>> Failure to do any of the above will constitute further evidence
> >>> against Chilton's long-standing claim that he is a Christian.
>
> >>>      "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"
> >>>           --Exodus 20: 16
>
> >>> Peter Nyikos
> >>> Professor, Dept. of Mathematics         -- standard disclaimer--
> >>> University of South Carolinahttp://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/
>
> >>> The standard disclaimer is that I am writing purely on my own and not
> >>> representing the organization whose name appears in my work address.
> >>> That is part of what tenure is all about, but I don't think Keegan and
> >>> his minions know the first thing about tenure.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one is a real
> >> Christian, a follower of Christ ?   Please list the specific standard.
>
> > There are many standards, but ALL of them include at least some
> > attempt to live up to the Commandments, and also include respect for
> > Jesus's teachings.
>
> > So, anything that looks like a serious deviation from those standards,
>
> So when you were lying multiple times about what I had written,

NO such event occurred, and I see you are running true to form by not
even HINTING at what the alleged "lying multiple times" might have
been about. You are truly a one-dimensional Internet Vandal.

By the way, have you tried to deal with my standing rebuttal to your
pathetic defense against the charge that you wished bodily harm on
Donohue?

The rebuttal included the keywords "IAAAH" and "IAAAAH", so it should
be no trouble for interested readers [Do you qualify as one? I don't
think so.] to look it up.

Of course, I've used one or both a few other times, such as
approximating a noise Howard Dean is famous for having uttered, and
also for referring to earlier times you ignored the very existance of
that rebuttal, so your first hit may not be the right one.

[deletia of "Garbage Out" to go with your "Garbage In" quoted above]

Peter Nyikos

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<3647d66a-f91d-4f15-9f0d-***@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Sep 20, 7:37 pm, IAAH <***@email.exist> wrote:
> > On 09-20-10 2:05 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 20, 12:41 pm, "***@gmail.com"<***@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> On Sep 20, 10:44 am, pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>  wrote:
> >
> > >>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> > >>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.  Here is a
> > >>> follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole Judeo-Christian
> > >>> foundation on which I am challenging him today.
> >
> > >>> On Sep 17, 9:39 pm, "(¯`·.žžCraig Chiltonžž.·Ž¯)<http://
> >
> > >>>www.LayoffRemedy.com>"<***@p.com>  wrote:
> > >>>> X-No-Archive: no
> >
> > >>>> On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:37:53 -0700 (PDT),
> >
> > >>>> pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>  wrote:
> > >>>>> (¯`·.žžCraig Chiltonžž.·Ž¯)<http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>  wrote:
> > >>>>>>        Your apparent inability to do other than WHINE because
> > >>>>>> social liberals tend to be self-assured (which is logical, since ALL
> > >>>>>> relevant
> > >>>>>> facts *support* their constant efforts to defend personal liberties
> > >>>>>> against the hateful agendas of the bigots who seek to destroy them),
> > >>>>>> while NOT citing anything that egalitarians are doing WRONG... is
> > >>>>>> duly noted.
> > >>>>> WHINE: an inchoate concept as used on Usenet;
> > >>>>> were it made logically consistent and defined
> > >>>>> broadly enough to encompass the most influential
> > >>>>> uses in talk.abortion, talk.origins and alt.abortion,
> > >>>>> it would mean "anything that can be construed,
> > >>>>> in however strained a way, as a complaint,"
> > >>>>> and hence would encompass much or all
> > >>>>> of each of the following:
> > >>>>> the Declaration of Independence, the Communist
> > >>>>> Manifesto, Martin Luther King's "I have a
> > >>>>> dream" speech, Mark Antony's funeral oration
> > >>>>> in Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar_,
> > >>>>> John the Baptist's denunciation of
> > >>>>> Herod Antipas, and Jesus's "woe to you, scribes
> > >>>>> and Pharisees, hypocrites" rant [more at RANT].
> >
> > >>>>       I second Keegan's response to the above!
> >
> > >>> Kegan's response to the above, to the same rhread
> > >>> [Subject: Re: Egalitarians KNOW that Almost All Bigots are
> > >>> INCORRIGIBLE. By Exposing Bigots' Irrationality, We help NON-Bigots to
> > >>> Avoid BECOMING Bigots!] posted to these same newsgroups,
> > >>> went as follows:
> > >>> -------------------------
> > >>>     and here, the plagiarizing professor seems so proud of his whining
> > >>>     that he tries to explain it to his 'students.' whoops, the
> > >>> plagiarizing
> > >>>     professor forgot where he was.
> > >>> ====================== Keegan's contribution
> > >>> to:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/7a6c24ea02532e8c
> >
> > >>> Note the twice-repeated formula "plagiarizing professor".
> > >>> For about a month now, Keegan has been showing his contempt for the
> > >>> principles behind the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution and the
> > >>> writ of *habeas corpus* by denying me and other readers the
> > >>> information of what act of plagiarism he is [falsely, but that's
> > >>> beside the point] accusing me of.
> >
> > >>> Chilton having seconded Keegan's screed, I now challenge him to
> > >>> either:
> >
> > >>> (1) Tell me what act of plagiarism he thinks I am guilty of;
> >
> > >>> (2) Persuade Keegan to tell me what act of plagiarism he is accusing
> > >>> me of;
> >
> > >>> (3) Retract his seconding, and apologize for it; or
> >
> > >>> (4) Deny that he was seconding the "plagiarizing professor" aspect of
> > >>> what Keegan wrote AND
> > >>> tell me exactly WHAT aspect of Keegan's screed he WAS seconding.
> >
> > >>> Failure to do any of the above will constitute further evidence
> > >>> against Chilton's long-standing claim that he is a Christian.
> >
> > >>>      "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"
> > >>>           --Exodus 20: 16
> >
> > >>> Peter Nyikos
> > >>> Professor, Dept. of Mathematics         -- standard disclaimer--
> > >>> University of South Carolinahttp://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/
> >
> > >>> The standard disclaimer is that I am writing purely on my own and not
> > >>> representing the organization whose name appears in my work address.
> > >>> That is part of what tenure is all about, but I don't think Keegan and
> > >>> his minions know the first thing about tenure.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > >>> - Show quoted text -
> >
> > >> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one is a real
> > >> Christian, a follower of Christ ?   Please list the specific standard.
> >
> > > There are many standards, but ALL of them include at least some
> > > attempt to live up to the Commandments, and also include respect for
> > > Jesus's teachings.
> >
> > > So, anything that looks like a serious deviation from those standards,
> >
> > So when you were lying multiple times about what I had written,
>
> NO such event occurred

your post was cut at your first new lie, plagiarist.

[IAAH]

On 09-20-10 8:14 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> On Sep 20, 7:37 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist> wrote:
>> On 09-20-10 2:05 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 20, 12:41 pm, "***@gmail.com"<***@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 20, 10:44 am, pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>>>>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian. Here is a
>>>>> follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole Judeo-Christian
>>>>> foundation on which I am challenging him today.
>>
>>>>> On Sep 17, 9:39 pm, "(¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯)<http://
>>
>>>>> www.LayoffRemedy.com>"<***@p.com> wrote:
>>>>>> X-No-Archive: no
>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:37:53 -0700 (PDT),
>>
>>>>>> pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> (¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯)<http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Your apparent inability to do other than WHINE because
>>>>>>>> social liberals tend to be self-assured (which is logical, since ALL relevant
>>>>>>>> facts *support* their constant efforts to defend personal liberties
>>>>>>>> against the hateful agendas of the bigots who seek to destroy them),
>>>>>>>> while NOT citing anything that egalitarians are doing WRONG... is
>>>>>>>> duly noted.
>>>>>>> WHINE: an inchoate concept as used on Usenet;
>>>>>>> were it made logically consistent and defined
>>>>>>> broadly enough to encompass the most influential
>>>>>>> uses in talk.abortion, talk.origins and alt.abortion,
>>>>>>> it would mean "anything that can be construed,
>>>>>>> in however strained a way, as a complaint,"
>>>>>>> and hence would encompass much or all
>>>>>>> of each of the following:
>>>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, the Communist
>>>>>>> Manifesto, Martin Luther King's "I have a
>>>>>>> dream" speech, Mark Antony's funeral oration
>>>>>>> in Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar_,
>>>>>>> John the Baptist's denunciation of
>>>>>>> Herod Antipas, and Jesus's "woe to you, scribes
>>>>>>> and Pharisees, hypocrites" rant [more at RANT].
>>
>>>>>> I second Keegan's response to the above!
>>
>>>>> Kegan's response to the above, to the same rhread
>>>>> [Subject: Re: Egalitarians KNOW that Almost All Bigots are
>>>>> INCORRIGIBLE. By Exposing Bigots' Irrationality, We help NON-Bigots to
>>>>> Avoid BECOMING Bigots!] posted to these same newsgroups,
>>>>> went as follows:
>>>>> -------------------------
>>>>> and here, the plagiarizing professor seems so proud of his whining
>>>>> that he tries to explain it to his 'students.' whoops, the
>>>>> plagiarizing
>>>>> professor forgot where he was.
>>>>> ====================== Keegan's contribution to:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/7a6c24ea02532e8c
>>
>>>>> Note the twice-repeated formula "plagiarizing professor".
>>>>> For about a month now, Keegan has been showing his contempt for the
>>>>> principles behind the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution and the
>>>>> writ of *habeas corpus* by denying me and other readers the
>>>>> information of what act of plagiarism he is [falsely, but that's
>>>>> beside the point] accusing me of.
>>
>>>>> Chilton having seconded Keegan's screed, I now challenge him to
>>>>> either:
>>
>>>>> (1) Tell me what act of plagiarism he thinks I am guilty of;
>>
>>>>> (2) Persuade Keegan to tell me what act of plagiarism he is accusing
>>>>> me of;
>>
>>>>> (3) Retract his seconding, and apologize for it; or
>>
>>>>> (4) Deny that he was seconding the "plagiarizing professor" aspect of
>>>>> what Keegan wrote AND
>>>>> tell me exactly WHAT aspect of Keegan's screed he WAS seconding.
>>
>>>>> Failure to do any of the above will constitute further evidence
>>>>> against Chilton's long-standing claim that he is a Christian.
>>
>>>>> "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"
>>>>> --Exodus 20: 16
>>
>>>>> Peter Nyikos
>>>>> Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
>>>>> University of South Carolinahttp://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/
>>
>>>>> The standard disclaimer is that I am writing purely on my own and not
>>>>> representing the organization whose name appears in my work address.
>>>>> That is part of what tenure is all about, but I don't think Keegan and
>>>>> his minions know the first thing about tenure.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one is a real
>>>> Christian, a follower of Christ ? Please list the specific standard.
>>
>>> There are many standards, but ALL of them include at least some
>>> attempt to live up to the Commandments, and also include respect for
>>> Jesus's teachings.
>>
>>> So, anything that looks like a serious deviation from those standards,
>>
>> So when you were lying multiple times about what I had written,
>
> NO such event occurred, and I see you are running true to form by not
> even HINTING at what the alleged "lying multiple times" might have
> been about. You are truly a one-dimensional Internet Vandal.

Are you playing stupidity games? Unless you're actually a moron (a
possibility edging increasingly closer to 1) then you know what I'm
talking about and all your disingenuous "Oh, I couldn't *possibly*
figure this out" bullshit is going nowhere.

>
> By the way, have you tried to deal with my standing rebuttal to your
> pathetic defense against the charge that you wished bodily harm on
> Donohue?

Ah, so you *do* remember what lies you were telling. Case closed, then.
Here's a little hint - I've already told you that your claim is a lie.
You have failed to show any truth to it. Ergo, you were and are lying,
both then and when you claimed to NOT be a liar.

--

"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying
to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the
board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."
- Scott D. Weitzenhoffer

[pnyikos]

On Sep 21, 6:24 pm, IAAH <***@email.exist> wrote:
> On 09-20-10 8:14 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 20, 7:37 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist>  wrote:
> >> On 09-20-10 2:05 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>
> >>> On Sep 20, 12:41 pm, "***@gmail.com"<***@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Sep 20, 10:44 am, pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>    wrote:
>
> >>>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> >>>>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.  Here is a
> >>>>> follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole Judeo-Christian
> >>>>> foundation on which I am challenging him today.
>
> >>>>> On Sep 17, 9:39 pm, "(¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯)<http://
>
> >>>>>www.LayoffRemedy.com>"<***@p.com>    wrote:
> >>>>>> X-No-Archive: no
>
> >>>>>> On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:37:53 -0700 (PDT),
>
> >>>>>> pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>    wrote:
> >>>>>>> (¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯)<http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>    wrote:
> >>>>>>>>         Your apparent inability to do other than WHINE because
> >>>>>>>> social liberals tend to be self-assured (which is logical, since ALL relevant
> >>>>>>>> facts *support* their constant efforts to defend personal liberties
> >>>>>>>> against the hateful agendas of the bigots who seek to destroy them),
> >>>>>>>> while NOT citing anything that egalitarians are doing WRONG... is
> >>>>>>>> duly noted.
> >>>>>>> WHINE: an inchoate concept as used on Usenet;
> >>>>>>> were it made logically consistent and defined
> >>>>>>> broadly enough to encompass the most influential
> >>>>>>> uses in talk.abortion, talk.origins and alt.abortion,
> >>>>>>> it would mean "anything that can be construed,
> >>>>>>> in however strained a way, as a complaint,"
> >>>>>>> and hence would encompass much or all
> >>>>>>> of each of the following:
> >>>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, the Communist
> >>>>>>> Manifesto, Martin Luther King's "I have a
> >>>>>>> dream" speech, Mark Antony's funeral oration
> >>>>>>> in Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar_,
> >>>>>>> John the Baptist's denunciation of
> >>>>>>> Herod Antipas, and Jesus's "woe to you, scribes
> >>>>>>> and Pharisees, hypocrites" rant [more at RANT].
>
> >>>>>>        I second Keegan's response to the above!
>
> >>>>> Kegan's response to the above, to the same rhread
> >>>>> [Subject: Re: Egalitarians KNOW that Almost All Bigots are
> >>>>> INCORRIGIBLE. By Exposing Bigots' Irrationality, We help NON-Bigots to
> >>>>> Avoid BECOMING Bigots!] posted to these same newsgroups,
> >>>>> went as follows:
> >>>>> -------------------------
> >>>>>      and here, the plagiarizing professor seems so proud of his whining
> >>>>>      that he tries to explain it to his 'students.' whoops, the
> >>>>> plagiarizing
> >>>>>      professor forgot where he was.
> >>>>> ====================== Keegan's contribution to:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/7a6c24ea02532e8c
>
> >>>>> Note the twice-repeated formula "plagiarizing professor".
> >>>>> For about a month now, Keegan has been showing his contempt for the
> >>>>> principles behind the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution and the
> >>>>> writ of *habeas corpus* by denying me and other readers the
> >>>>> information of what act of plagiarism he is [falsely, but that's
> >>>>> beside the point] accusing me of.
>
> >>>>> Chilton having seconded Keegan's screed, I now challenge him to
> >>>>> either:
>
> >>>>> (1) Tell me what act of plagiarism he thinks I am guilty of;
>
> >>>>> (2) Persuade Keegan to tell me what act of plagiarism he is accusing
> >>>>> me of;
>
> >>>>> (3) Retract his seconding, and apologize for it; or
>
> >>>>> (4) Deny that he was seconding the "plagiarizing professor" aspect of
> >>>>> what Keegan wrote AND
> >>>>> tell me exactly WHAT aspect of Keegan's screed he WAS seconding.
>
> >>>>> Failure to do any of the above will constitute further evidence
> >>>>> against Chilton's long-standing claim that he is a Christian.
>
> >>>>>       "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"
> >>>>>            --Exodus 20: 16
>
> >>>>> Peter Nyikos
> >>>>> Professor, Dept. of Mathematics         -- standard disclaimer--
> >>>>> University of South Carolinahttp://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/
>
> >>>>> The standard disclaimer is that I am writing purely on my own and not
> >>>>> representing the organization whose name appears in my work address.
> >>>>> That is part of what tenure is all about, but I don't think Keegan and
> >>>>> his minions know the first thing about tenure.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one is a real
> >>>> Christian, a follower of Christ ?   Please list the specific standard.
>
> >>> There are many standards, but ALL of them include at least some
> >>> attempt to live up to the Commandments, and also include respect for
> >>> Jesus's teachings.
>
> >>> So, anything that looks like a serious deviation from those standards,
>
> >> So when you were lying multiple times about what I had written,
>
> > NO such event occurred, and I see you are running true to form by not
> > even HINTING at what the alleged "lying multiple times" might have
> > been about.  You are truly a one-dimensional Internet Vandal.
>
> Are you playing stupidity games?

NO. You were keeping people in some of the crossposted newsgroups in
the dark about what these alleged lies were, and you were even keeping
ME in the dark as to just WHICH of the innumerable things you've
flamed me for are included in what you wrote.

For instance, I have said more than once that you fraudulently moved
something I wrote somewhere else, in order to bring fraudulent charges
against me of "moving the goalposts." I could not be sure whether
you included THAT in youl list of alleged lies by me.

Evidently you did not, because you give no hint of it below.

> Unless you're actually a moron (a
> possibility edging increasingly closer to 1) then you know what I'm
> talking about

False, see above.

> and all your disingenuous "Oh, I couldn't *possibly*
> figure this out" bullshit is going nowhere.

You are such a stereotyped dummy-analogue! The nature of the
ventriloquist-analogue behind "IAAH" is a riddle wrapped in a mystery
wrapped in an enigma, to use a formula of Winston Churchill.

> > By the way, have you tried to deal with my standing rebuttal to your
> > pathetic defense against the charge that you wished bodily harm on
> > Donohue?
>
> Ah, so you *do* remember what lies you were telling.

You have yet to even BEGIN to seriously show they (two, to be precise)
were lies; but thanks for suggesting that they were the only things
you even CLAIM to have been lies by me.

> Case closed, then.
> Here's a little hint - I've already told you that your claim is a lie.

Telling me and proving it are two very different things. You
misspelled the word "ambulance" which, had it been correctly spelled,
would have constituted proof that your posting persona wished bodily
harm on Donohue. I wrote some words spelled "IAAAH" and "IAAAAH" but
you answered to them just as though I were addressing you, thereby
confirming something I posted a few days earlier about "intended
meaning".

So, not only have you no grounds for saying I deliberately lied, but
you haven't seriously begun to confront the issue of whether you
actually wished bodily harm on Donohue, and merely indulged in massive
denial of having done so, after being caught at it.

> You have failed to show any truth to it. Ergo, you were and are lying,

False dichotomy and garbage in, to accompany the following gargage
out:

> both then and when you claimed to NOT be a liar.

Peter Nyikos

[Virgil]

In article
<81ef8ebe-72c4-4b49-b405-***@j5g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,
"***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one is a real
> Christian, a follower of Christ ? Please list the specific standard.

Why would anyone say they were if they weren't?

So why not take their word for it.

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:07:11 -0600,
Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:
> "***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com> wrote:


>> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one
>> is a real Christian, a follower of Christ ? Please list the specific
>> standard.

> Why would anyone say they were if they weren't?
>
> So why not take their word for it?

Indeed. In fact, these days, what with the hateful PSEUDO-
Christians of the RRR Cult promoting its loathsome agendas
against personal liberties, freedoms, and rights of tens of millions
of people... *while* CLAIMING to be Christians... which has been
painting actual Christianity and Christians with a very ugly and
undeserved brush -- Christians are becoming about as popular as
bedbugs.

Thus, for a person to openly profess Christianity, it's a good bet
that he either IS one -- or is a lying RRR Cultist.

And I can assure you that I'm quite the OPPOSITE of the latter!

AND that I *am* the former.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[IT Helpdesk]

"(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote in
message news:***@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:07:11 -0600,
> Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:
>> "***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one
>>> is a real Christian, a follower of Christ ? Please list the specific
>>> standard.
>
>> Why would anyone say they were if they weren't?
>>
>> So why not take their word for it?
>
> Indeed. In fact, these days, what with the hateful PSEUDO-
> Christians of the RRR Cult promoting its loathsome agendas
> against personal liberties, freedoms, and rights of tens of millions
> of people... *while* CLAIMING to be Christians... which has been
> painting actual Christianity and Christians with a very ugly and
> undeserved brush -- Christians are becoming about as popular as
> bedbugs.
>
> Thus, for a person to openly profess Christianity, it's a good bet
> that he either IS one -- or is a lying RRR Cultist.
>
> And I can assure you that I'm quite the OPPOSITE of the latter!
>
> AND that I *am* the former.
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> -- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)
>


You said, "indeed", then proceeded to deny that others who claimed to be
Christian actually were.

It's nothing short of fascinating to watch Craig (self-professed IQ of 168)
in action.

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:01:42 -0400,
"IT Helpdesk" <***@deleted.com> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>> Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:
>>> "***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com> wrote:


>>>> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one
>>>> is a real Christian, a follower of Christ ? Please list the specific
>>>> standard.

>>> Why would anyone say they were if they weren't?
>>>
>>> So why not take their word for it?

>> Indeed. In fact, these days, what with the hateful PSEUDO-
>> Christians of the RRR Cult promoting its loathsome agendas
>> against personal liberties, freedoms, and rights of tens of millions
>> of people... *while* CLAIMING to be Christians... which has been
>> painting actual Christianity and Christians with a very ugly and
>> undeserved brush -- Christians are becoming about as popular as
>> bedbugs.
>>
>> Thus, for a person to openly profess Christianity, it's a good bet
>> that he either IS one -- or is a lying RRR Cultist.
>>
>> And I can assure you that I'm quite the OPPOSITE of the latter!
>>
>> AND that I *am* the former.

> You said, "indeed", then proceeded to deny that others who claimed
> to be Christian actually were.

When I said THIS, above, it evidently SAILED right over your head:

>> Thus, for a person to openly profess Christianity, it's a good
>> bet that he either IS one -- or is a lying RRR Cultist.

And try reading the paragraph BEFORE that one, with some
comprehension. Which I probably *should* have started with
THESE words: "Why NOT indeed?" (I sometimes forget that my
opponents often are either unable or unwilling to "read between
the lines" and pick up on nuances that SHOULD be OBVIOUS to
them.)

I have made it clear in MANY of my posts that there obviously
are TWO types of RRR cultists who profess Christianity:

(1) ACTUAL Christians who *have* accepted Christ, but are of
the low levels of intellect that the RRR Cult's leaders target
for recruitment as their cash-cow, propaganda/newspeak-
parroting lemmings... and thus have been CONNED into
thinking that the loathsome, ant-personal-liberties agendas
of the cult actually have merit, and are in line with Christian/
biblical precepts -- even THOUGH those agendas are about
as UN-Christian and hateful as they possibly could be.

(2) PSEUDO-Christians who -- regardless of their level of intellect --
are innately desirous of being controlling and mean-spirited
toward such groups of people as gays or women for a variety
of specious "reasons." Not the least of which being that many
of those bigots have profound inferiority complexes, and
being in such a hate-club as the RRR Cult, gives them a large
support group to feed their egos. The sort of complex that
drove people to join and function within the Ku Klux Klan.
Many of THIS group of RRR Cult lemmings have never been
Christians, but PRETEND to be so as to wrap themselves in
the cloak of respectability that doing so can -- at least appar-
ently, in their OWN minds -- afford them.

Unfortunately for Christianity -- in America, at least, since the
RRR thankfully just barely exists beyond its borders -- by cloaking
itself in the mantle of respectability afforded by Christianity, it has
*degraded* that respectability in the eyes of millions of people.
People who have mistakenly come to regard the high-profile,
squeaky-wheel RRR Cult to be *representative" of Christianity.
It is QUITE the con job that the cult's crafty and expert-in-propa-
gandizing leaders have accomplished. Profoundly on the lemmings,
and more subtly on the general public. And as a result, untold
numbers of non-Christians have such a low regard for Christianity,
after observing the hateful and irrational bigotry of the cult, they
probably would find attending a rat fight preferable to having
anything to do with coming to Christ.

See for yourself:

http://www.egalitarian.biz/USA-Chr-Non-Relig--1990-2008-2026Proj.html

(In case URL becomes shortened, reassemble
these components of it in your browser):

http://
www.
egalitarian.biz/
USA-Chr-Non-Relig--1990-2008-2026Proj.html

So it looks like I just misspoke myself about the extent of the
deception that's been foisted upon society in general by the cult's
having only been "subtle." Because it instead *also* has been
profound upon tens of millions of people NOT within the cult, as
the above link's data proves -- in ways that it's possible that the
cult's *leaders*, themselves, may not even have foreseen.

If Satan is real -- and Jesus has told us that he is -- then he
couldn't possibly have better ALLIES than the RRR Cult's leaders,
and their unwitting lemmings who've been so tragically deceived
into doing their bidding.


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[Ghod Dhammit]

"(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote in
message news:***@4ax.com...

I don't know why I haven't kf'd you yet, but you certainly are a verbose
cretin. If you dropped dead today, tomorrow you'd be entirely forgotten.

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:29:28 -0500,
"Ghod Dhammit" <***@ameritech.net> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:


> I don't know why I haven't kf'd you yet...

(1) Possibly because you want to see if I ever cite a
FACT that you *think* you might be able to *dis-
prove.* (Lotsa luck! Facts are TRUTHS. And NO
facts even EXIST that support the hate-agendas
of bigots.)

(2) Possibly because you know that doing that
would accomplish nothing but to make you
FAIR GAME. (See SIG.) Because *I* would
never miss your specious and asinine responses.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Kill-Filing as Self-Flagellation (LOL!!)

Know what's really fun to watch? Someone "kill-filing" some-
one else. (Otherwise known as "running away," or "becoming
an ostrich.") Because that just makes the person doing the kill-
filing fair game. After that, if the kill-file-ee wanted to, he could
have a field day refuting the first person's arguments in his sub-
sequent posts. (Which could get really funny if the kill-filer were
pretty clueless -- as MOST kill-filers ARE, as evidenced by the fact
they run away.) In THOSE cases, the kill-filer's arguments could
be DEMOLISHED... and he wouldn't even know it'd happened
to him.

Reminds me of people who go on hunger strikes, thinking that'll
accomplish something. All it "accomplishes" is making themselves
awfully hungry, and getting themselves LAUGHED AT a whole lot.
They hurt ONLY themselves. SAME with kill-filing.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[pnyikos]

On Sep 22, 5:05 am, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://
www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:

> (I sometimes forget that my
> opponents often are either unable or unwilling to "read between
> the lines" and pick up on nuances that SHOULD be OBVIOUS to
> them.)

And I sometimes forget that YOU are either unable or unwilling to read
what is right there ON the lines, and thus fail to pick up things that
are EXPLICITLY there. Otherwise this whole thread would never have
been started.

Do other people who scored 168 on the IQ test you took share this
problem? ;-)

[...]

>     If Satan is real -- and Jesus has told us that he is -- then he
> couldn't possibly have better ALLIES than the RRR Cult's leaders,

I do believe he has better allies right here in the abortion
newsgroups than about 99% of the people in what you call the RRR cult--
and that certainly includes leaders like our present Pope and his
immediate predecessor.

Three of them are Keegan, Spartakus and Fischer. As Jesus said of
Satan:

"when he lies, he is drawing on his own store,
because he is a liar, the father of lies."
--John 8: 44, Jerusalem Bible translation

> and their unwitting lemmings who've been so tragically deceived
> into doing their bidding.

It could be that Humphrey, IAAH, Lefty, Gwen Bennet, "elizabeth," and
Tom S. fall under this category where one or more of the above three
are concerned. Then again, some of them (especially Humphrey) may
have helped to deceive the rest.

Peter Nyikos

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<633ec80c-219a-4510-81f8-***@i17g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >     If Satan is real -- and Jesus has told us that he is -- then he
> > couldn't possibly have better ALLIES than the RRR Cult's leaders,
>
> I do believe he has better allies right here in the abortion
> newsgroups than about 99% of the people in what you call the RRR cult--
> and that certainly includes leaders like our present Pope and his
> immediate predecessor.
>
> Three of them are Keegan, Spartakus and Fischer. As Jesus said of
> Satan:
>
> "when he lies, he is drawing on his own store,
> because he is a liar, the father of lies."
> --John 8: 44, Jerusalem Bible translation
>
> > and their unwitting lemmings who've been so tragically deceived
> > into doing their bidding.
>
> It could be that Humphrey, IAAH, Lefty, Gwen Bennet, "elizabeth," and
> Tom S. fall under this category where one or more of the above three
> are concerned. Then again, some of them (especially Humphrey) may
> have helped to deceive the rest.
>
> Peter Nyikos

wow. has anyone put forward the argument that the plagiarist posting as
peter nyikos is sane?

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

X-No-Archive: no

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:17:12 -0700 (PDT),
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:


>> (I sometimes forget that my opponents often are either
>> unable or unwilling to "read between the lines" and pick up
>> on nuances that SHOULD be OBVIOUS to them.)

> And I sometimes forget that YOU are either unable or unwilling
> to read what is right there ON the lines, and thus fail to pick up
> things that are EXPLICITLY there. Otherwise this whole thread
> would never have have been started.

Have you ever considered opening up a storefront called,
"TROLL-R-US" ???

> [ ... ]

>>     If Satan is real -- and Jesus has told us that he is -- then he
>> couldn't possibly have better ALLIES than the RRR Cult's leaders...

> I do believe he has better allies ... and that certainly includes
> leaders like our present Pope and his immediate predecessor.

I snipped the NONSENSE, but agree with you about the Pope.

<whines about OTHER posters flushed>

>> ...and their unwitting lemmings who've been so tragically deceived
>> into doing their bidding.


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[The Chief Instigator]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:17:12 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 5:05?am, "(?`?.?Craig Chilton?.???) <http://
> www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
>
>> (I sometimes forget that my
>> opponents often are either unable or unwilling to "read between
>> the lines" and pick up on nuances that SHOULD be OBVIOUS to
>> them.)
>
> And I sometimes forget that YOU are either unable or unwilling to read
> what is right there ON the lines, and thus fail to pick up things that
> are EXPLICITLY there. Otherwise this whole thread would never have
> been started.
>
> Do other people who scored 168 on the IQ test you took share this
> problem? ;-)
>
> [...]
>
>> ? ? If Satan is real -- and Jesus has told us that he is -- then he
>> couldn't possibly have better ALLIES than the RRR Cult's leaders,
>
> I do believe he has better allies right here in the abortion
> newsgroups than about 99% of the people in what you call the RRR cult--
> and that certainly includes leaders like our present Pope and his
> immediate predecessor.
>
> Three of them are Keegan, Spartakus and Fischer. As Jesus said of
> Satan:
>
> "when he lies, he is drawing on his own store,
> because he is a liar, the father of lies."
> --John 8: 44, Jerusalem Bible translation
>
>> and their unwitting lemmings who've been so tragically deceived
>> into doing their bidding.
>
> It could be that Humphrey, IAAH, Lefty, Gwen Bennet, "elizabeth," and
> Tom S. fall under this category where one or more of the above three
> are concerned. Then again, some of them (especially Humphrey) may
> have helped to deceive the rest.
>
> Peter Nyikos

It could equally well be that you're getting more than a little paranoid
over not much of anything. I know I'm not slandering you.

--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (***@prismnet.com) Houston, TX
www.prismnet.com/~patrick (TCI's 2009-10 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 3, Houston 2 (April 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 9 at Oklahoma City, 7:05

[Ghod Dhammit]

"IT Helpdesk" <***@deleted.com> wrote in message
news:i7be7t$beq$***@tornado.tornevall.net...
> "(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote
> in message news:***@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:07:11 -0600,
>> Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:
>>> "***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one
>>>> is a real Christian, a follower of Christ ? Please list the specific
>>>> standard.
>>
>>> Why would anyone say they were if they weren't?
>>>
>>> So why not take their word for it?
>>
>> Indeed. In fact, these days, what with the hateful PSEUDO-
>> Christians of the RRR Cult promoting its loathsome agendas
>> against personal liberties, freedoms, and rights of tens of millions
>> of people... *while* CLAIMING to be Christians... which has been
>> painting actual Christianity and Christians with a very ugly and
>> undeserved brush -- Christians are becoming about as popular as
>> bedbugs.
>>
>> Thus, for a person to openly profess Christianity, it's a good bet
>> that he either IS one -- or is a lying RRR Cultist.
>>
>> And I can assure you that I'm quite the OPPOSITE of the latter!
>>
>> AND that I *am* the former.
>>
>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>>
>> -- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)
>>
>
>
> You said, "indeed", then proceeded to deny that others who claimed to be
> Christian actually were.
>
> It's nothing short of fascinating to watch Craig (self-professed IQ of
> 168) in action.

"It takes a lot of time to be a genius, you have to sit around so much doing
nothing, really doing nothing."
- Gertrude Stein

[pnyikos]

On Sep 21, 7:01 pm, "IT Helpdesk" <***@deleted.com> wrote:
> "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote in
> messagenews:***@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:07:11 -0600,
> > Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:
> >> "***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>      By what objective standard are you using to determine if one
> >>>  is a real Christian, a follower of Christ ?   Please list the specific
> >>> standard.
>
> >>     Why  would anyone say they were if they weren't?
>
> >>     So why not take their word for it?
>
> >     Indeed.  In fact, these days, what with the hateful PSEUDO-
> > Christians of the RRR Cult promoting its loathsome agendas
> > against personal liberties, freedoms, and rights of tens of millions
> > of people

read: privileges, such as the privilege of having their prenatal
offspring destroyed without even the one destroying it being
answerable to the State for it.

The Romans had a "right" of paterfamilias, in which the male head of
the family could have his offspring killed even after birth. Nobody
seems to think that was a basic human right, yet Chilton thinks that
this other thing is such a basic human right, even the father of the
pranatal offspring should have absolutely no right to have it stopped.

> >... *while* CLAIMING to be Christians... which has been
> > painting actual Christianity and Christians with a very ugly and
> > undeserved brush -- Christians are becoming about as popular as
> > bedbugs.

...among leftist non-Christians.

> >    Thus, for a person to openly profess Christianity, it's a good bet
> > that he either IS one -- or is a lying RRR Cultist.

What a sickeningly self-serving piece of bilge!

> >    And I can assure you that I'm quite the OPPOSITE of the latter!
>
> >    AND that I *am* the former.

There is precious little evidence of that, besides Chilton's say-so,
although the evidence AGAINST it is not *quite* as strong as I thought
when I began this thread.


> >              = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> > -- Craig Chilton  (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)
>
> You said, "indeed", then proceeded to deny that others who claimed to be
> Christian actually were.
>
> It's nothing short of fascinating to watch Craig (self-professed IQ of 168)
> in action.

If he really tested that high, it just goes to show how little IQ
tests really measure.

Leftists were loudly proclaiming the worthlessness of IQ tests in the
mid-1970's when some people, including one Shockley and one Banfield,
were making a big issue of the way African-Americans were scoring
lower on IQ tests than whites.

In the University of Chicago, in 1974, they totally disrupted a
scheduled appearance by Banfield, with cries of "Banfield, you liar!
We'll set your ass on fire!"

I wonder what Chilton thinks of such people. Would he approve of
these tactics, on the grounds that suppressing BIGOTRY takes
precedence over his alleged loathing of censorship?

Peter Nyikos

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<80325a1a-bb26-4a43-90ab-***@f26g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Sep 21, 7:01 pm, "IT Helpdesk" <***@deleted.com> wrote:
> > "(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com>
> > wrote in
> > messagenews:***@4ax.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:07:11 -0600,
> > > Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:
> > >> "***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>      By what objective standard are you using to determine if one
> > >>>  is a real Christian, a follower of Christ ?   Please list the specific
> > >>> standard.
> >
> > >>     Why  would anyone say they were if they weren't?
> >
> > >>     So why not take their word for it?
> >
> > >     Indeed.  In fact, these days, what with the hateful PSEUDO-
> > > Christians of the RRR Cult promoting its loathsome agendas
> > > against personal liberties, freedoms, and rights of tens of millions
> > > of people
>
> read:

it's safer, and much more honest, for readers to read what is written
rather than your misrepresentations of it, plagiarist.

[IT Helpdesk]

"pnyikos" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:80325a1a-bb26-4a43-90ab-***@f26g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>On Sep 21, 7:01 pm, "IT Helpdesk" <***@deleted.com> wrote:
>> "(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com>
>> wrote in
>> messagenews:***@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:07:11 -0600,
>> > Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:
>> >> "***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one
>> >>> is a real Christian, a follower of Christ ? Please list the specific
>> >>> standard.
>>
>> >> Why would anyone say they were if they weren't?
>>
>> >> So why not take their word for it?
>>
>> > Indeed. In fact, these days, what with the hateful PSEUDO-
>> > Christians of the RRR Cult promoting its loathsome agendas
>> > against personal liberties, freedoms, and rights of tens of millions
>> > of people
>
>read: privileges, such as the privilege of having their prenatal
>offspring destroyed without even the one destroying it being
>answerable to the State for it.
>
>The Romans had a "right" of paterfamilias, in which the male head of
>the family could have his offspring killed even after birth. Nobody
>seems to think that was a basic human right, yet Chilton thinks that
>this other thing is such a basic human right, even the father of the
>pranatal offspring should have absolutely no right to have it stopped.
>
>> >... *while* CLAIMING to be Christians... which has been
>> > painting actual Christianity and Christians with a very ugly and
>> > undeserved brush -- Christians are becoming about as popular as
>> > bedbugs.
>
>...among leftist non-Christians.
>
>> > Thus, for a person to openly profess Christianity, it's a good bet
>> > that he either IS one -- or is a lying RRR Cultist.
>
>What a sickeningly self-serving piece of bilge!
>
>> > And I can assure you that I'm quite the OPPOSITE of the latter!
>>
>> > AND that I *am* the former.
>
>There is precious little evidence of that, besides Chilton's say-so,
>although the evidence AGAINST it is not *quite* as strong as I thought
>when I began this thread.
>
>
>> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>>
>> > -- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)
>>
>> You said, "indeed", then proceeded to deny that others who claimed to be
>> Christian actually were.
>>
>> It's nothing short of fascinating to watch Craig (self-professed IQ of
>> 168)
>> in action.
>
>If he really tested that high, it just goes to show how little IQ
>tests really measure.
>
>Leftists were loudly proclaiming the worthlessness of IQ tests in the
>mid-1970's when some people, including one Shockley and one Banfield,
>were making a big issue of the way African-Americans were scoring
>lower on IQ tests than whites.
>
>In the University of Chicago, in 1974, they totally disrupted a
>scheduled appearance by Banfield, with cries of "Banfield, you liar!
>We'll set your ass on fire!"
>
>I wonder what Chilton thinks of such people. Would he approve of
>these tactics, on the grounds that suppressing BIGOTRY takes
>precedence over his alleged loathing of censorship?
>
>Peter Nyikos
>


I attended a debate featuring Shockley and another fellow whose name escapes
me now, on a campus which shall not be named.

The students were prepped for his appearance. I am sorry to report that I
was among those who shouted him down, never allowing Shockley to complete a
sentence. In retrospect, that was wrong.

I believe that Shockley was both brilliant and sincere, and at least
deserved an opportunity to present his evidence and views without prejudice.
I'm not aware that he ever received a fair hearing, and that is regrettable,
regardless of the political volatility of his research.

Regardless, his conclusions and "solutions" were immoral, and are to be
condemned.

Still, don't you rather believe that both Craig and W.T.S. would approve of
Shockley's proposals? They seem to have loved Margaret Sanger's.

[pnyikos]

On Sep 21, 2:07 am, Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:
> In article
> <81ef8ebe-72c4-4b49-b405-***@j5g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  "***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > By what objective standard are you using to determine if one is a real
> > Christian, a follower of Christ ?   Please list the specific standard.
>
> Why  would anyone say they were if they weren't?

Why did Hananiah claim to be a prophet transmitting the word of The
LORD in Ch. 28 of the book ofJeremiah? Not because it was true, but
because he wanted to mislead people who respected what prophets had to
say.

I've never seen Chilton defend Christianity against atheists making
nasty cracks about it; nor have I seen him ever try to take on
somebody who sneeringly referred to God as a fairy tale, delusion,
etc. He claims to be Christian, but his "Christianity" all seems to
be in service of two agendas: the Gay Power agenda and the extreme
abortion rights agenda.

> So why not take their word for it.

I can do no better at the moment than to repeat something I posted
late last year:

-------------------- begin repost
I crave justice and truth, and if Chilton is not a Christian, then he
has been posting under false pretenses, massively and aggressively
asserting that true Christianity requires a complete endorsement of
Gay Power and radical abortion rights.

If he were not claiming to be a Christian and claiming that he is
espousing true Christian values, he would lose almost all the
effectiveness he has in the newsgroups he is crossposting to here,
except perhaps alt.atheism, where he would fit in very well from all
that I've seen of him.

But even there, he would be just another dime-a-dozen twit posting
things that others can say better than he.

We had someone like that in talk.abortion in the mid-1990's. His name
was Jamie Gregorian and he claimed to be an ordained minister [*sic*]
in the Armenian Apistolic [*sic*!!!] Church and spewed all kinds of
garbage about what God wants for pregnant women.

About a year after he quit the newsgroup he posted elsewhere that he'd
gotten his "ordination" from a cheap diploma mill and had a good laugh
about how he had fooled "everyone" although there were some of us who
had not been fooled--but he was doing so much damage while he was with
us that several of us felt impelled to spend a great deal of time
refuting his lies and explaining why he couldn't be what he claimed to
be.
============== end of excerpt from
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa/msg/4222fc628d8a3fab

Peter Nyikos

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

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[[[ READERS: WATCH with interest as an ignorant BIGOT makes
a total FOOL of himself with *specious* and hateful claims,
an the employment of LYING terminologies. And gets CALLED
on that by me with FACTS, every single time! ]]]

[[[ THIS post will SURELY be a good addition to my SIG file! ]]]

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:32:09 -0700 (PDT),
"Peter Nyikos" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:
>>  "***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com> wrote:


>>> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one is a
>>> real Christian, a follower of Christ ?   Please list the specific standard.

>> Why  would anyone say they were if they weren't?

> Why did Hananiah claim to be a prophet transmitting the word of The
> LORD in Ch. 28 of the book ofJeremiah? Not because it was true, but
> because he wanted to mislead people who respected what prophets had
> to say.

Which in NO WAY is relevant to anything that I post in here.

> I've never seen Chilton defend Christianity against atheists making
> nasty cracks about it; nor have I seen him ever try to take on
> somebody who sneeringly referred to God as a fairy tale, delusion,
> etc.

(1) There is NO way that anyone can do any damage to God,
so God doesn't NEED "defending" against mere WORDS.

(2) Everyone has a complete right to hold any opinion about
anything. If he EXPRESSES opinions publicly, then they
would only be worth of chastisement if they were to
denigrate or disparage the ONLY entities that could be
harmed by that: PEOPLE. An *omnipotent* God Who
created the entire universe can take care of HIMSELF
with NO problem!

> He claims to be Christian, but his "Christianity" all seems to...

...INCLUDE being fair-minded and compassionate enough to stand
up for and defend across-the-board EQUAL rights for ALL people.
Including the right NOT to be discriminated-against by hateful and
ignorant bigots.

>> So why not take their word for it.

> I can do no better at the moment than to repeat something I
> posted late last year:
>
>-------------------- begin repost

> I crave justice and truth, and if Chilton is not a Christian, then he
> has been posting under false pretenses, massively and aggressively
> asserting that true Christianity requires a complete endorsement of
> Gay Power and radical abortion rights.

So right off the bat, you made an ignorant ASS of yourself, then
and now, since:

(1) There is NO such thing as "gay power." Any more than there
ever really was any such thing as "black power." BOTH Civil
Rights Movements, I and II, sought/seek *nothing* more than
across-the-board EQUAL rights for perfectly NORMAL people,
and the END of any and all discrimination against any person
of group that is *based* on the TRIVIAL variations of NORMAL-
CY that sexual orientation, race, handedness, and eye color
have. Only IRRATIONAL people would even THINK of engag-
ing in such abject stupidity.

(2) "Radical rights" is an OXYMORON. And NO compassionate
Christian worth his salt would EVER support a hateful and
irrational agenda that seeks to FORCE girls and women to
gestate UNwanted (and thus worthless) pregnancies to term
against their will -- a very real, 9-month-long form of RAPE!

<stupidity/lie-flush>

<text that has NOTHING to do with me, in ANY way, flushed>


*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

The REMEDY of Abortion... and the *JESUS* of SECOND CHANCES

I humbly and proudly DEDICATE almost ALL of my posts to the
compassionate, humanitarian martyr, Dr. George Tiller, who enabled
thousands of girls and women to put their lives BACK on track, and
RESTORED their full ranges of future opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-
pregnancy levels.

The LOWLIFE Anti-Choice louts probably have the sort of hateful
mentality that would have had them throwing ROCKS at Jesus after
He spared the future of the woman at the well.

Anti-Choicers who might well have been screaming at Jesus:

"How DARE you give SECOND CHANCES to people!!

"And especially to WOMEN!"

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.

you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
plagiarist.

whoops, that's consistent with roman catholicism. never mind.

[pnyikos]

On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> > doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,

That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
arguments for it.

NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness against
anybody, and the few times I mistakenly accused someone of something
they didn't do, I retracted it, often with an apology.

Once I even broke a custom of mine of not posting on weekends, simply
because I had suggested something about "skyeyes" that turned out to
be unlikely, and I felt a responsiblity to correct it as soon as I
realized my mistake.

Keegan *has* falsely accused me of bearing false witness against
various people, and therefore badgered me to apologize for what I
did. This he does because he knows full well that an apology would be
used as the SOLE proof that I had borne false witness, just as is done
all the time with Osprey and his false statement (NOT an example of
bearing false witness against anyone else, by the way) about having
served in Desert Storm.

That is the ONLY thing they can reasonably call an Ospery lie, and
which they've ever been able to PROVE, and the only reason they can
prove it is, they have Osprey's admission and apology.

> whoops, that's consistent with roman catholicism. never mind.

Your smear of Roman Catholicism is duly noted. Or do you apply the
same standard to ALL religions, and all other belief systems?

Habitual lying is certainly consistent with atheism and agnosticism,
don't you agree?

> plagiarist.

How much longer will you show your contempt for the principles behind
the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution and the writ of *habeas
corpus* by denying me and other readers the information of what act of
plagiarism you are [falsely, but that's beside the point] accusing me
of?

Peter Nyikos

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<af81bb60-709a-4dab-ad4c-***@g10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >  pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast
> > > some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
> >
> > you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
> > plagiarist.
>
> That is a bare-faced lie

your post was cut after your first new lie, plagiarist.

[IAAH]

On 09-20-10 4:10 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr."<***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>>
>> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
>
> That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
> arguments for it.
>
> NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness against
> anybody,

I have, liar.

--

"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying
to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the
board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."
- Scott D. Weitzenhoffer

[pnyikos]

On Sep 20, 7:38 pm, IAAH <***@email.exist> wrote:
> On 09-20-10 4:10 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>
> > On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr."<***@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >>   pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>  wrote:
> >>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> >>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> >> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
>
> > That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
> > arguments for it.
>
> > NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness against
> > anybody,
>
> I have, liar.

Still thumbing your nose at the principles behind the writ of *habeas
corpus*, I see. [See my reply to Keegan of a few minutes ago.]

I'm sure Chilton is suitably grateful for the diversionary tactics you
and Keegan are indulging in here.

By the way, I've told Keegan on another thread why he is badly in need
of a vacation from Usenet. Perhaps you could make yourself
interchangeable with him, maybe even post from his account with his
permission, so he can go on vacation without his absence being
noticed.

If you are careful not to use British Commonwealth idioms (like "put
paid to") or spelling, no one would know the difference -- his
behavior ["behaviour" to you] has been extremely stereotyped of late.

Here's a little quiz for you to see how good you are at it. See if
you can rewrite the following using American spelling.

I doubt that any honourable traveller will land in gaol,
lose his licence, or have to pawn jewellery if the proposed
programme to adopt the spelling "kilometre" is not realised.

This is what I would have loved to rebut to a letter-to-editor writer
35 years ago when he said that the USA should not only go metric but
adopt British Commonwealth spelling for "kilometer", lest American
motorists in England, etc. be confused by signs using "kilometre".

Alas, he had it published in the very last issue of the 1970's
counterpart to USA Today.

Peter Nyikos

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<749e7814-aba4-41d2-bdb4-***@m16g2000vbs.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Sep 20, 7:38 pm, IAAH <***@email.exist> wrote:
> > On 09-20-10 4:10 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> >
> > > On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr."<***@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >> In article
> > >> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > >>   pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>  wrote:
> > >>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> > >>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
> >
> > >> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
> >
> > > That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
> > > arguments for it.
> >
> > > NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness against
> > > anybody,
> >
> > I have, liar.
>
> Still thumbing your nose

actually, it was your lie that was pointed out, plagiarist.

[IAAH]

On 09-20-10 8:35 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> On Sep 20, 7:38 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist> wrote:
>> On 09-20-10 4:10 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr."<***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>>> pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>>>>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>>
>>>> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
>>
>>> That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
>>> arguments for it.
>>
>>> NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness against
>>> anybody,
>>
>> I have, liar.
>
> Still thumbing your nose at the principles behind the writ of *habeas
> corpus*, I see. [See my reply to Keegan of a few minutes ago.]

No, I'm simply pointing out that I have caught you in more than one lie
that you have failed to substantiate since.

And this will no doubt trigger another content-free spiel where you
utterly fail *again* to substantiate your lies.


"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying
to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the
board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."
- Scott D. Weitzenhoffer

[pnyikos]

On Sep 20, 10:09 pm, IAAH <***@email.exist> wrote:
> On 09-20-10 8:35 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 20, 7:38 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist>  wrote:
> >> On 09-20-10 4:10 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>
> >>> On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr."<***@gmail.com>    wrote:
> >>>> In article
> >>>> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >>>>    pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>    wrote:
> >>>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> >>>>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> >>>> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
>
> >>> That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
> >>> arguments for it.
>
> >>> NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness against
> >>> anybody,
>
> >> I have, liar.
>
> > Still thumbing your nose at the principles behind the writ of *habeas
> > corpus*, I see.  [See my reply to Keegan of a few minutes ago.]
>
> No, I'm simply pointing out that I have caught you in more than one lie
> that you have failed to substantiate since.

This is just more of the nose-thumbing, since you don't give a blessed
clue as to what events you are "pointing out." I say there are none,
and you aren't making a smidgin of progress towards showing otherwise.

You DO know what the writ of *habeas corpus* is all about, don't you?
Part of it is the right of an accused or his counsel to see what
specific acts (as opposed to a generic "liar" charge, or a generic
"murderer" charge, etc.) is.

And before you salivate that this isn't a court of law, please note
the words "principles behind." Are you familiar with the concept of
"principles"?

> And this will no doubt trigger another content-free spiel where you
> utterly fail *again* to substantiate your lies.

The spiel is yours, as anyone reading the exchange between us can see;
there were no lies by me, and so there is nothing to substatiate.

Peter Nyikos

[IAAH]

On 09-21-10 7:48 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> On Sep 20, 10:09 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist> wrote:
>> On 09-20-10 8:35 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 20, 7:38 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist> wrote:
>>>> On 09-20-10 4:10 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr."<***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>>>>> pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>>>>>>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>>
>>>>>> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
>>
>>>>> That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
>>>>> arguments for it.
>>
>>>>> NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness against
>>>>> anybody,
>>
>>>> I have, liar.
>>
>>> Still thumbing your nose at the principles behind the writ of *habeas
>>> corpus*, I see. [See my reply to Keegan of a few minutes ago.]
>>
>> No, I'm simply pointing out that I have caught you in more than one lie
>> that you have failed to substantiate since.
>
> This is just more of the nose-thumbing, since you don't give a blessed
> clue as to what events you are "pointing out."

Since I have previously done so numerously and repeatedly, you are
either too stupid to sort it out and thus too stupid to give an answer,
or you are lying about not remembering.

Which one is it? By the way, that's another lie you've been caught in
there, and unless you're going to admit to egregious stupidity we can
count yet another lie to your tally as well.


--

"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying
to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the
board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."
- Scott D. Weitzenhoffer

[pnyikos]

On Sep 21, 11:14 pm, IAAH <***@email.exist> wrote:
> On 09-21-10 7:48 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 20, 10:09 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist>  wrote:
> >> On 09-20-10 8:35 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>
> >>> On Sep 20, 7:38 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist>    wrote:
> >>>> On 09-20-10 4:10 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr."<***@gmail.com>      wrote:
> >>>>>> In article
> >>>>>> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >>>>>>     pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>      wrote:
> >>>>>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> >>>>>>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> >>>>>> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
>
> >>>>> That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
> >>>>> arguments for it.
>
> >>>>> NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness against
> >>>>> anybody,
>
> >>>> I have, liar.
>
> >>> Still thumbing your nose at the principles behind the writ of *habeas
> >>> corpus*, I see.  [See my reply to Keegan of a few minutes ago.]
>
> >> No, I'm simply pointing out that I have caught you in more than one lie
> >> that you have failed to substantiate since.
>
> > This is just more of the nose-thumbing, since you don't give a blessed
> > clue as to what events you are "pointing out."
>
> Since I have previously done so numerously and repeatedly,

When was the last time, before the one I replied to earlier today?
For quite some time before that, all I'd been seeing was blanket
generalities such as the one you are spouting here.

> you are
> either too stupid to sort it out and thus too stupid to give an answer,

Or I was right, and had no idea EXACTLY WHICH alleged lies you were
referring to.

And, as I demonstrated in my earlier post today, I WAS right.

> or you are lying about not remembering.

You are lying by your claim that I said I didn't remember.

> Which one is it? By the way, that's another lie you've been caught in
> there, and unless you're going to admit to egregious stupidity we can
> count yet another lie to your tally as well.

Yet more GIGO by you.

Peter Nyikos

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<4aec5c7a-57c7-4899-84fe-***@j19g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Sep 21, 11:14 pm, IAAH <***@email.exist> wrote:
> > On 09-21-10 7:48 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 20, 10:09 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist>  wrote:
> > >> On 09-20-10 8:35 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> >
> > >>> On Sep 20, 7:38 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist>    wrote:
> > >>>> On 09-20-10 4:10 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> >
> > >>>>> On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr."<***@gmail.com>    
> > >>>>>  wrote:
> > >>>>>> In article
> > >>>>>> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > >>>>>>     pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>      wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast
> > >>>>>>> some
> > >>>>>>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
> >
> > >>>>>> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
> >
> > >>>>> That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
> > >>>>> arguments for it.
> >
> > >>>>> NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness against
> > >>>>> anybody,
> >
> > >>>> I have, liar.
> >
> > >>> Still thumbing your nose at the principles behind the writ of *habeas
> > >>> corpus*, I see.  [See my reply to Keegan of a few minutes ago.]
> >
> > >> No, I'm simply pointing out that I have caught you in more than one lie
> > >> that you have failed to substantiate since.
> >
> > > This is just more of the nose-thumbing, since you don't give a blessed
> > > clue as to what events you are "pointing out."
> >
> > Since I have previously done so numerously and repeatedly,
>
> When was the last time

at least you admit you were caught lying more than once, plagiarist.

[pnyikos]

On Sep 23, 6:46 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <4aec5c7a-57c7-4899-84fe-***@j19g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>  pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > On Sep 21, 11:14 pm, IAAH <***@email.exist> wrote:
> > > On 09-21-10 7:48 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 20, 10:09 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist>  wrote:
> > > >> On 09-20-10 8:35 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>
> > > >>> On Sep 20, 7:38 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist>    wrote:
> > > >>>> On 09-20-10 4:10 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>
> > > >>>>> On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr."<***@gmail.com>    
> > > >>>>>  wrote:
> > > >>>>>> In article
> > > >>>>>> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > >>>>>>     pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>      wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast
> > > >>>>>>> some
> > > >>>>>>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> > > >>>>>> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
>
> > > >>>>> That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
> > > >>>>> arguments for it.
>
> > > >>>>> NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness against
> > > >>>>> anybody,
>
> > > >>>> I have, liar.
>
> > > >>> Still thumbing your nose at the principles behind the writ of *habeas
> > > >>> corpus*, I see.  [See my reply to Keegan of a few minutes ago.]
>
> > > >> No, I'm simply pointing out that I have caught you in more than one lie
> > > >> that you have failed to substantiate since.
>
> > > > This is just more of the nose-thumbing, since you don't give a blessed
> > > > clue as to what events you are "pointing out."
>
> > > Since I have previously done so numerously and repeatedly,
>
> > When was the last time
>
> at least you admit you were caught lying more than once, plagiarist.

Another low-IQ simulation by a troll, equating my reference to
"events" with an admission that these "events" consisted of lies.

He is so inept, he deleted a bunch of stuff to almost no avail. What
he left in is aleady enough to cast doubt on the claim that I was
admitting to any such thing as lying, let alone being caught lying.

The only effect of the deletia was to hide the fact that I was
referring to a previous post where I *refuted* the claim that I lied:
---------------------- begin repost of deletia and a little more
When was the last time, before the one I replied to earlier today?
For quite some time before that, all I'd been seeing was blanket
generalities such as the one you are spouting here.

> you are
> either too stupid to sort it out and thus too stupid to give an answer,

Or I was right, and had no idea EXACTLY WHICH alleged lies you were
referring to.

And, as I demonstrated in my earlier post today, I WAS right.
==================== end of repost

Peter Nyikos

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<b3f3d9c4-2db2-49ae-91da-***@u13g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Sep 23, 6:46 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <4aec5c7a-57c7-4899-84fe-***@j19g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >  pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > On Sep 21, 11:14 pm, IAAH <***@email.exist> wrote:
> > > > On 09-21-10 7:48 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Sep 20, 10:09 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist>  wrote:
> > > > >> On 09-20-10 8:35 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> >
> > > > >>> On Sep 20, 7:38 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist>    wrote:
> > > > >>>> On 09-20-10 4:10 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> >
> > > > >>>>> On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr."<***@gmail.com>    
> > > > >>>>>  wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> In article
> > > > >>>>>> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com
> > > > >>>>>> >,
> >
> > > > >>>>>>     pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net>      wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> > > > >>>>>>> cast
> > > > >>>>>>> some
> > > > >>>>>>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
> >
> > > > >>>>>> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
> >
> > > > >>>>> That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
> > > > >>>>> arguments for it.
> >
> > > > >>>>> NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness
> > > > >>>>> against
> > > > >>>>> anybody,
> >
> > > > >>>> I have, liar.
> >
> > > > >>> Still thumbing your nose at the principles behind the writ of
> > > > >>> *habeas
> > > > >>> corpus*, I see.  [See my reply to Keegan of a few minutes ago.]
> >
> > > > >> No, I'm simply pointing out that I have caught you in more than one
> > > > >> lie
> > > > >> that you have failed to substantiate since.
> >
> > > > > This is just more of the nose-thumbing, since you don't give a
> > > > > blessed
> > > > > clue as to what events you are "pointing out."
> >
> > > > Since I have previously done so numerously and repeatedly,
> >
> > > When was the last time
> >
> > at least you admit you were caught lying more than once, plagiarist.
>
> Another low-IQ simulation by a troll

the plagiarist posting as peter nyikos is so hopelessly ensnared in the
web of his lies and misrepresentations that he can do nothing but whine
about those who comment on his dishonesty.

[IAAH]

On 09-23-10 5:40 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> On Sep 21, 11:14 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist> wrote:
>> On 09-21-10 7:48 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 20, 10:09 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist> wrote:
>>>> On 09-20-10 8:35 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Sep 20, 7:38 pm, IAAH<***@email.exist> wrote:
>>>>>> On 09-20-10 4:10 PM, pnyikos wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr."<***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>>>>>>> pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>>>>>>>>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>>
>>>>>>>> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
>>
>>>>>>> That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
>>>>>>> arguments for it.
>>
>>>>>>> NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness against
>>>>>>> anybody,
>>
>>>>>> I have, liar.
>>
>>>>> Still thumbing your nose at the principles behind the writ of *habeas
>>>>> corpus*, I see. [See my reply to Keegan of a few minutes ago.]
>>
>>>> No, I'm simply pointing out that I have caught you in more than one lie
>>>> that you have failed to substantiate since.
>>
>>> This is just more of the nose-thumbing, since you don't give a blessed
>>> clue as to what events you are "pointing out."
>>
>> Since I have previously done so numerously and repeatedly,
>
> When was the last time, before the one I replied to earlier today?

I don't put them in my daytimer, nyikook. But you're lying if you say
you haven't replied to specific callouts on your lies.

> For quite some time before that, all I'd been seeing was blanket
> generalities such as the one you are spouting here.

Bullshit. Like I said, I've been both numerous and specific in my claims.

>
> > you are
>> either too stupid to sort it out and thus too stupid to give an answer,
>
> Or I was right, and had no idea EXACTLY WHICH alleged lies you were
> referring to.

I know, there are SO many lies of yours you must have trouble keeping track.

>
> And, as I demonstrated in my earlier post today, I WAS right.
>
>> or you are lying about not remembering.
>
> You are lying by your claim that I said I didn't remember.

I didn't make that claim. Why are you lying about it?

>
>> Which one is it? By the way, that's another lie you've been caught in
>> there, and unless you're going to admit to egregious stupidity we can
>> count yet another lie to your tally as well.
>
> Yet more GIGO by you.

Another lie from you.

--

"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying
to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the
board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."
- Scott D. Weitzenhoffer

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:35:46 -0700 (PDT),
Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:


[ ... ]

> I'm sure Chilton is suitably grateful for the diversionary tactics
> you and Keegan are indulging in here.

The you aren't "sure" of DIDDLY. Don't drag ME into any feuds
you're having with other people.

[pnyikos]

On Sep 21, 8:58 am, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://
www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: no
>
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:35:46 -0700 (PDT),
>
> Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >    I'm sure Chilton is suitably grateful for the diversionary tactics
> > you and Keegan are indulging in here.
>
>      The you aren't "sure" of DIDDLY.  

I call them as I see them. I'm not infallible, so in this case I may
have been mistaken. Your next comment, though, suggests that you are
just indulging in a smokescreen, since it has no relevance to what I
wrote.

>Don't drag ME into any feuds
> you're having with other people.

As a Hungarian formula has it, "Stop hammering on open doors." I've
made it abundantly clear that i am not trying to drag YOU into any
feuds.

I do NOT think I am mistaken about you being grateful to "Lefty" for
the way he defended you in December while you "just coincidentally"
vanished from the thread where I had you on the hot seat for a
deceitful thing I caught you doing.

He didn't defend the deceit directly, but he did put some of your
OTHER actions in as favorable a light as he could. The comment I made
to Virgil just a few minutes ago was taken from that exchange, and he
did his very best to blunt it.

Peter Nyikos

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

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On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:41:21 -0700 (PDT),
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:


[ ... ]

> I've made it abundantly clear that i am not trying to drag YOU
> into any feuds.

Then WHY do you even MENTION the names of OTHER posters
when making responses to things that *I* have said????

You do that a LOT!!

> I do NOT think I am mistaken about you being grateful to "Lefty" for
> the way he defended you in December while you "just coincidentally"
> vanished from the thread where I had you on the hot seat for a
> deceitful thing I caught you doing.

You didn't "catch" ME in ANYTHING... because I never had anything to
do with the forged IDIOCY you kept harping on.

DAMN, but YOU are as big a MORON as Bill Taylor!!! I never thought
I'd EVER find anyone *else* in here who is THAT much of a retard!

You are a TOTAL waste of time, lying troll.

IF it weren't for the fact that kill-filers harm NO one but *themselves,*
I'd have done that to you long ago!


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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:35:46 -0700 (PDT),
Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:


(== Typo correction ==)

[ ... ]

> I'm sure Chilton is suitably grateful for the diversionary tactics
> you and Keegan are indulging in here.

Then you aren't "sure" of DIDDLY. Don't drag ME into any feuds
you're having with other people.

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article <i78r9h$mhv$***@news.eternal-september.org>,
IAAH <***@email.exist> wrote:

> On 09-20-10 4:10 PM, pnyikos wrote:
> > On Sep 20, 3:22 pm, "james g. keegan jr."<***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <5dd23e7d-8e9c-4fbd-9345-***@t7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> >>
> >> pnyikos<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> >>> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
> >>
> >> you claim to be a roman catholic, and you lie each day you post,
> >
> > That is a bare-faced lie, and you can't even provide credible
> > arguments for it.
> >
> > NOBODY has ever caught me deliberately bearing false witness against
> > anybody,
>
> I have, liar.

and i have

as has almost every regular i can think of.

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT),
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:


> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.

Interesting LIE on your part, since I have *never* discussed
whatever it may have been that Jesus may or may not have had
to say about divorce.

<<<sheeeeesh!!!>> Grow a BRAIN!!!

= = = = = = = = =

> Here is a follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole
> Judeo-Christian foundation on which I am challenging him today.

= = = = = = = = =

> Subject: Re: Egalitarians KNOW that Almost All Bigots are INCORRIGIBLE.
> By Exposing Bigots' Irrationality, We help NON-Bigots toAvoid BECOMING
> Bigots!
> Newsgroups: talk.abortion, alt.politics.usa,
> alt.politics.homosexuality, alt.atheism, alt.bible
> From: pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net>
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT)
> Local: Mon, Sep 20 2010 11:44 am
> Subject: IS Chilton really a Christian?
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> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian. Here is a
> follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole Judeo-Christian
> foundation on which I am challenging him today.
>
> On Sep 17, 9:39 pm,
> "(¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:37:53 -0700 (PDT),
>> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> (¯`·.¸¸Craig Chilton¸¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:

>>>> Your apparent inability to do other than WHINE because
>>>> social liberals tend to be self-assured (which is logical, since ALL
>>>> relevant facts *support* their constant efforts to defend personal
>>>> liberties against the hateful agendas of the bigots who seek to
>>>> destroy them), while NOT citing anything that egalitarians are doing
>>>> WRONG... is duly noted.

>>> WHINE: an inchoate concept as used on Usenet;
>>> were it made logically consistent and defined
>>> broadly enough to encompass the most influential
>>> uses in talk.abortion, talk.origins and alt.abortion,
>>> it would mean "anything that can be construed,
>>> in however strained a way, as a complaint,"
>>> and hence would encompass much or all
>>> of each of the following:
>>> the Declaration of Independence, the Communist
>>> Manifesto, Martin Luther King's "I have a
>>> dream" speech, Mark Antony's funeral oration
>>> in Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar_,
>>> John the Baptist's denunciation of
>>> Herod Antipas, and Jesus's "woe to you, scribes
>>> and Pharisees, hypocrites" rant [more at RANT].

>> I second Keegan's response to the above!

> Keegan's response to the above, to the same thread,
> went as follows:

> "And here, the plagiarizing professor seems so proud of
> his whining that he tries to explain it to his 'students.' Whoops,
> the plagiarizing professor forgot where he was.

>====================== Keegan's contribution to:
>http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/7a6c24ea02532e8c


<discussion of "plagiarism" fight between James & Peter flushed>

> Chilton having seconded Keegan's...

...comment -- had ONLY to do with Keegan's observation
that Peter "seems so proud of his whining that he tries to
explain it [away].

This, AFTER I had criticized Peter FOR whining, as everyone
can see in the text presented above. So, this involvement with
and reference to Keegan's comment had ONLY to do with Keegan's
assessment that Peter seemed to be "protesting too much" about
my having called him (Peter) for that which I regarded to be his
whining.

It had NOTHING to do with Peter' and James' evident on-going
battle about some sort of "plagiarism," about which I have no
knowledge.

IF I could have even GUESSED that Peter wouldn't have figured
that out, I wouldn't have seconded Keegan's comment.

But I CAN see how Peter could have missed my interpretation,
so I apologize to you for my having made that more clear. It was
unintentional, as I think you now can see.

The only reason I didn't respond to this "challenge" by you
sooner was because I quite Literally couldn't figure out what the
hell you were accusing me of.

So of the choices you presented below, (4) is the one that applies.

> (1) Tell me what act of plagiarism he thinks I am guilty of;
>
> (2) Persuade Keegan to tell me what act of plagiarism he is accusing
> me of;
>
> (3) Retract his seconding, and apologize for it; or
>
> (4) Deny that he was seconding the "plagiarizing professor" aspect
> of what Keegan wrote AND tell me exactly WHAT aspect of
> Keegan's screed he WAS seconding.


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••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

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or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
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[pnyikos]

On Sep 20, 8:38 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://
www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
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>
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT),
>
> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >       Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> > cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.  
>
>      Interesting LIE on your part, since I have *never* discussed
> whatever it may have been that Jesus may or may not have had
> to say about divorce.

You have indirectly given some idea of how you view some aspects of
it.

You have come out strongly in favor of no-fault divorce, which
greatly adds to the cross of those who accept Jesus's teachings on
divorce and therefore do not remarry when their spouse runs out on
them and unilaterally divorces them. A Christian should, I submit, be
against laying heavier burdens on people who sincerely try to follow
the teachings of Christ.

As for the rest of what you wrote, I accept that your earlier remark
did not constitute a serious case of bearing false witness, and I also
note that you were not long in posting to this thread after you posted
to another, and I responded with:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/4f9ed0f21e1f0d20?dmode=source

Peter Nyikos

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<48fd7410-434c-4ac1-a249-***@q2g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Sep 20, 8:38 pm, "(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://
> www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
> > X-No-Archive: no
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT),
> >
> > pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > >       Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> > > cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.  
> >
> >      Interesting LIE on your part, since I have *never* discussed
> > whatever it may have been that Jesus may or may not have had
> > to say about divorce.
>
> You have indirectly given some idea of how you view some aspects of
> it.


nice backpedal to cover your lie, plagiarist.

[The Lesbians]

"pnyikos" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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On Sep 20, 8:38 pm, "(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://
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>
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT),
>
> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> > cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> Interesting LIE on your part, since I have *never* discussed
> whatever it may have been that Jesus may or may not have had
> to say about divorce.

You have indirectly given some idea of how you view some aspects of
it.

You have come out strongly in favor of no-fault divorce, which
greatly adds to the cross of those who accept Jesus's teachings on
divorce and therefore do not remarry when their spouse runs out on
them and unilaterally divorces them. A Christian should, I submit, be
against laying heavier burdens on people who sincerely try to follow
the teachings of Christ.

As for the rest of what you wrote, I accept that your earlier remark
did not constitute a serious case of bearing false witness, and I also
note that you were not long in posting to this thread after you posted
to another, and I responded with:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/4f9ed0f21e1f0d20?dmode=source

Peter Nyikos

---------------
Why should ALL of the citizens of a secular republic have to endure the
rules and regulations of the religious beliefs of SOME of the citizens?

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:45:58 -0400,
"The Lesbians" <***@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
> Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>> Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:


>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
>>> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.

>> Interesting LIE on your part, since I have *never* discussed
>> whatever it may have been that Jesus may or may not have had
>> to say about divorce.

> You have indirectly given some idea of how you view some
> aspects of it.

"Indirectly." Nice back-pedaling. And I'm not the only one
who noticed it.

> You have come out strongly in favor of no-fault divorce, which
> greatly adds to the cross of those who accept Jesus's teachings on
> divorce and therefore do not remarry when their spouse runs out on
> them and unilaterally divorces them. A Christian should, I submit, be
> against laying heavier burdens on people who sincerely try to follow
> the teachings of Christ.

1 Cor. 5:12-13. I **live** per that clear order.

See: http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html

>> Why should ALL of the citizens of a secular republic have to endure
>> the rules and regulations of the religious beliefs of SOME of the citizens?

EXCELLENTLY stated, in a single sentence!!

And even though the *majority* of Americans (78%) profess
Christianity, the VAST majority of THEM are NOT obnoxious busybodies
who seek to repress, deny, or destroy personal liberties of tens of
millions of people. Only a small percentage of PSEUDO-Christians -- the
RRR Cultists -- America's version of the TALIBAN -- are guilty of that.

See: http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html

> As for the rest of what you wrote, I accept that your earlier remark
> did not constitute a serious case of bearing false witness, and I also
> note that you were not long in posting to this thread after you posted
> to another, and I responded with:
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/4f9ed0f21e1f0d20?dmode=source

To which *I* have since responded, this evening. In TWO locations.
Thanks.

>> Why should ALL of the citizens of a secular republic have to endure the
>> rules and regulations of the religious beliefs of SOME of the citizens?

EXCELLENTLY stated, in a single sentence!!


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[pnyikos]

On Sep 20, 11:45 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://
www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
>  X-No-Archive: no
>
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:45:58 -0400,
>
> "The Lesbians" <***@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
> >  Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >  (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)  <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
> >>  Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>>     Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> >>> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
> >>      Interesting LIE on your part, since I have *never* discussed
> >> whatever it may have been that Jesus may or may not have had
> >> to say about divorce.
> >     You have indirectly given some idea of how you view some
> > aspects of it.
>
>    "Indirectly."  Nice back-pedaling.  

I spoke of "views", not statements, so there is no backpedal.

> And I'm not the only one
> who noticed it.

Keegan asserted it, and you assert it. But as Socrates says in
Plato's "Gorgias,"

* But this kind of *
* proof is of no value where truth is the aim; a man may *
* often be sworn down by a multitude of false witnesses who *
* have a great air of respectability.

Keegan has counterfeited an air of respectability among those who have
killfiled me and not him, but that's as far as he goes in this
direction.


> >     You have come out strongly in favor of no-fault divorce, which
> > greatly adds to the cross of those who accept Jesus's teachings on
> > divorce and therefore do not remarry when their spouse runs out on
> > them and unilaterally divorces them.  A Christian should, I submit, be
> > against laying heavier burdens on people who sincerely try to follow
> > the teachings of Christ.
>
>      1 Cor. 5:12-13.  I **live** per that clear order.

So do I; but if you want me to stop this line of investigation, all
you have to do is admit that you are on the "outside" of the Christian
faith, and from that point on I will let God be the judge of where
you stand on these issues.

[Note to others: the above verses have to do with it being none of our
business to pass judgment on non-Christians.]

>      See:  http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
>
> >>     Why should ALL of the citizens of a secular republic have to endure
> >> the rules and regulations of the religious beliefs of SOME of the citizens?

The issue of divorce transcends religious belief, and can be judged on
purelly utilitarian grounds. Yes, no-fault divorce it DOES lay an
especially crushing burden on Christians who take seriously Jesus's
words, "A man who marries a woman divorced by her husband commits
adultery." [Luke 16:18]. But it lays a heavy burden on *anyone* who
seriously wants to make a go of marriage and is frustrated by a spouse
who simply wants out and gets a divorce unilaterally.

And thus, I think it bears in it some of the seeds of the ultimate
abolition of a meaningful concept of marriage, even civil marriage.

>      And even though the *majority* of Americans (78%) profess
> Christianity, the VAST majority of THEM are NOT obnoxious busybodies

All law is a matter of lawmakers acting as "busybodies", if you want
to play THAT game. The real issue is which laws constitute UNFAIR
busybodyness, and you need to make a case for each one separately.

Until less than 50 years ago, there had to be GROUNDS for divorce.
Even King Henry VIII had to search for grounds. Are you saying that
down through the millennia, having grounds for divorce was a creation
of busybodies?

>     See:  http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
>
> >     As for the rest of what you wrote, I accept that your earlier remark
> > did not constitute a serious case of bearing false witness, and I also
> > note that you were not long in posting to this thread after you posted
> > to another, and I responded with:
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/4f9ed0f21e1f0d20?dmo...
>
>     To which *I* have since responded, this evening.  In TWO locations.
> Thanks.
>
> >>     Why should ALL of the citizens of a secular republic have to endure the
> >> rules and regulations of the religious beliefs of SOME of the citizens?
>
>      EXCELLENTLY stated, in a single sentence!!

Not quite as conceited as when you posted a hilarious fantasy about
something you naively thought was a proof that everyone is BORN with a
sexual orientation, but more conceited than is good for you.

[usual eulogy for mass exterminator of viable unborn children deleted]

Peter Nyikos

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<900503d3-1201-4d26-9a3f-***@q18g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Sep 20, 11:45 pm, "(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://
> www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
> >  X-No-Archive: no
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:45:58 -0400,
> >
> > "The Lesbians" <***@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
> > >  Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > >  (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯)  <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
> > >>  Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > >>>     Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> > >>> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
> > >>      Interesting LIE on your part, since I have *never* discussed
> > >> whatever it may have been that Jesus may or may not have had
> > >> to say about divorce.
> > >     You have indirectly given some idea of how you view some
> > > aspects of it.
> >
> >    "Indirectly."  Nice back-pedaling.  
>
> I spoke of "views", not statements, so there is no backpedal.
>
> > And I'm not the only one
> > who noticed it.
>
> Keegan asserted it, and you assert it.


give it up, plagiarist. you got caught lying again. what is one more
such incident giver all the scad of other?

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:16:13 -0700 (PDT),
Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>> "The Lesbians" <***@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
>>>  Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>  (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)  <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>>>>>  Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>>>>>>     Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
>>>>>> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.

>>>>>      Interesting LIE on your part, since I have *never* discussed
>>>>> whatever it may have been that Jesus may or may not have had
>>>>> to say about divorce.

>>>     You have indirectly given some idea of how you view some
>>> aspects of it.

>>    "Indirectly."  Nice back-pedaling.  

> I spoke of "views", not statements, so there is no backpedal.

>> ...And I'm not the only one who noticed it.

> Keegan asserted it, and you assert it. But as Socrates says in
> Plato's "Gorgias,"

>* But this kind of *
>* proof is of no value where truth is the aim; a man may *
>* often be sworn down by a multitude of false witnesses who *
>* have a great air of respectability.
>
> Keegan has counterfeited an air of respectability among those
> who have killfiled me and not him, but that's as far as he goes in this
> direction.

>>>     You have come out strongly in favor of no-fault divorce, which
>>> greatly adds to the cross of those who accept Jesus's teachings on
>>> divorce and therefore do not remarry when their spouse runs out on
>>> them and unilaterally divorces them.  A Christian should, I submit, be
>>> against laying heavier burdens on people who sincerely try to follow
>>> the teachings of Christ.

>>      1 Cor. 5:12-13.  I **live** per that clear order.

> So do I...

No, you do NOT!! Not even REMOTELY!

> ...but if you want me to stop this line of investigation, ...

You couldn't "investigate" your way out a sack made of one-ply
toilet paper soaked in kerosene. And I couldn't care less HOW much
of a total FOOL you make of yourself. THAT just earns you some
•• OCR Points •• -- which is about the only way bigots are any good
at all to society, in my estimation. (See SIG.)

> ...all you have to do is admit that you are on the "outside" of the
> Christian faith ...

(1) I never LIE in my posts, and I'm not about to start
just to please a LOSER like you.

(2) Do you have ANY idea what Jesus said He'd say to God
if a person were to do that?

> ...and from that point on I will let God be the judge of where
> you stand on these issues.

That's something that YOU need to start being concerned about.

<outright LIE flushed>

>>      See:   http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html

>>>>     Why should ALL of the citizens of a secular republic have
>>>> to endure the rules and regulations of the religious beliefs
>>>> of SOME of the citizens?

> The issue of divorce transcends religious belief, and can be judged
> on purelly utilitarian grounds. Yes, no-fault divorce it DOES lay an
> especially crushing burden on Christians who take seriously Jesus's
> words, "A man who marries a woman divorced by her husband commits
> adultery." [Luke 16:18]. But it lays a heavy burden on *anyone* who
> seriously wants to make a go of marriage and is frustrated by a spouse
> who simply wants out and gets a divorce unilaterally.

Slavery has been outlawed for almost 150 years in this country,
and being FORCED to remain in a marriage against one's will is tanta-
mount to involuntary servitude. Opponents of no-fault divorce LOSE!

> And thus, I think it bears in it some of the seeds of the ultimate
> abolition of a meaningful concept of marriage, even civil marriage.

See above.

>>      And even though the *majority* of Americans (78%) profess
>> Christianity, the VAST majority of THEM are NOT obnoxious busy-
>> bodies.
>>
>>     See:   http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html

> All law is a matter of lawmakers acting as "busybodies", if you want
> to play THAT game.

The difference is that the people have duly AUTHORIZED them
to do their jobs, from the U.S. Constitution right on down. The RRR
Cultists are modern -day VIGILANTES. Loose cannons who hatefully
have NO regard for the personal liberties and well-being of tens of
millions of people over whom they have NO say and NO jurisdiction.

> The real issue is which laws constitute UNFAIR busybodyness,
> and you need to make a case for each one separately.

UNFAIR laws almost always bite the dust. Sooner or later. It
is inevitable almost 100% of the time as people get FED UP with
them. As happened to Jim Crow laws in the South, and to all laws
that deprived women access to the REMEDY of abortion.

> Until less than 50 years ago, there had to be GROUNDS for divorce.
> Even King Henry VIII had to search for grounds. Are you saying that
> down through the millennia, having grounds for divorce was a creation
> of busybodies?

There have ALWAYS been busybodies behind such INANE
restrictions. Usually, pretty MINDLESS ones! In the USA, that --
thankfully! -- has been REMEDIED, and people will NEVER permit
a reversal of that right.

>>>     As for the rest of what you wrote, I accept that your earlier remark
>>> did not constitute a serious case of bearing false witness, and I also
>>> note that you were not long in posting to this thread after you posted
>>> to another, and I responded with:

>>> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/4f9ed0f21e1f0d20?dmode=source

If you expect long URLs to survive in these postings, you need
to provide their components (which can be reassembled) WITH them:

http://
groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/
msg/4f9ed0f21e1f0d20?dmode=source

>>     To which *I* have since responded, this evening.  In TWO locations.
>> Thanks.

>>>>     Why should ALL of the citizens of a secular republic have to
>>>> endure the rules and regulations of the religious beliefs of SOME
>>>> of the citizens?

>>      EXCELLENTLY stated, in a single sentence!!

> Not quite as conceited...

Sorry. I read the attributions wrong. I thought I was responding
to someone else. ( <<chuckle!!>> No wonder I agreed with it! :) )


> [usual eulogy for...

... a great American HERO and MARTYR **restored** ---

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

The One HUGE Contribution
that Overt Bigots Make to Society:
Earning •• OCR •• Points!

One thing is for sure: No one will ever see an INTELLIGENT
RRR Cult bigot. I.e., those who *openly* oppose the right
of all girls and women who so choose to access the remedy of
abortion-upon-request (Anti-Choicers)... or who seek to DENY
access to across-the-board EQUAL rights (including the right to
marry their chosen same-sex partners) to gays. Or both. (It's
normally both. With most such bigots, it's usually in for a penny,
in for a pound.). Bigotry and IGNORANCE go together.

The ONLY thing that such sociopaths are really good for is
something that all bigots who have openly declared support for
the above two hate-agendas do VERY well: every time they do
it, they automatically build up their own personal stockpiles of
•• OCR •• Points.

And the more Points they earn, the more LUDICROUS those
caricatures of human beings become. And the more society
becomes AWARE, at a now-accelerating pace, that those loath-
some agendas are something that NO intelligent, sensible, or
fair-minded person would want ANYTHING to do with.

So TO all of those who DO so publicly make such total fools
of themselves, leading to the ultimate auto-destruction of their
hate-agendas -- the egalitarians who support, defend, and pro-
mote human/civil rights and personal liberties are everywhere
PRAISING you for this ONE aspect of your personality defect
that accomplishes something GOOD. By earning all those virtual
•• OCR •• Points, you actually (albeit inadvertently) ARE making
a relevant contribution to hastening the *demise* of bigotry,
and in the process you therefore are contributing to making the
USA a far BETTER place.

Before much longer, the American people will reach the point
at which they would find attending a rat fight to be preferable
to having any association with your agendas -- just as happened
with the segregationists. AND -- just as happened to the segreg-
ationists after their agendas swirled down the Drain of Extinction,
those who remain bigots of the *above* ilk will almost all bottle up
their hatefulness in their minds and never openly express it, so
as not to be regarded by their neighbors and society as pariahs.

Now that this more recent set of bigoted agendas is going
down the drain at an ever-accelerating pace, the process is
becoming very entertaining theater for all who are fair-minded
egalitarians. Because the RRR cultists are SO bone-ignorant
that they either don't realize that they're making this positive
contribution, or else they just they can't help themselves. (Yet.)
And in the process, they can't even present any FACTS to sup-
port their hate-agendas, because NO such facts even EXIST!

It's FUN to watch, since the ultimate outcome will be so
BENEFICIAL to America... and to societies all over the world
that will be looking up to us for our ENDING these forms of bigotry,
and thus becoming far more admirable and worthy of emulation.

America has done it before -- when it got RID of segregation.
So the precedent for this was set very nicely, 45 years ago.
Most of the egalitarians still living who helped to guide *those*
agendas into oblivion are doubtlessly watching and assisting
*these* agendas to the same doom with equal enthusiasm and
relish! (We've done this before, and we're LOVING this process!)

The Points the bigots earn are virtual, of course, but the
*process* of their earning them has a very REAL impact. That's
why "OCR" stands for •• Operation Consciousness-Raising ••.

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:11:12 -0700 (PDT),
Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>wrote:
>> Peter Nyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:


>>>       Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
>>> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.  

>>      Interesting LIE on your part, since I have *never* discussed
>> whatever it may have been that Jesus may or may not have had
>> to say about divorce.

> You have indirectly given some idea of how you view some
> aspects of it.

"Indirectly." Nice back-pedaling. And I'm not the only one
who noticed it.

> You have come out strongly in favor of no-fault divorce, which
>greatly adds to the cross of those who accept Jesus's teachings on
>divorce and therefore do not remarry when their spouse runs out on
>them and unilaterally divorces them. A Christian should, I submit, be
>against laying heavier burdens on people who sincerely try to follow
>the teachings of Christ.

1 Cor. 5:12-13. I **live** per that clear order.

See: http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html

> As for the rest of what you wrote, I accept that your earlier remark
> did not constitute a serious case of bearing false witness, and I also
> note that you were not long in posting to this thread after you posted
> to another, and I responded with:
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/4f9ed0f21e1f0d20?dmode=source

To which *I* have since responded, last night. In TWO locations.
Thanks.


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[duke]

On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:38:05 -0500, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
<http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:

>X-No-Archive: no
>
>On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT),
>pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
>> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.

And his love for killing the unborn and queer sex have sealed the deal.

[Virgil]

In article <***@4ax.com>,
duke <***@cox.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:38:05 -0500, "(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯)
> <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
>
> >X-No-Archive: no
> >
> >On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT),
> >pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> >> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> And his love for killing the unborn and queer sex have sealed the deal.

Not all Christians agree on all issues, and what Dumbo calls
Christianity is a distinctly weird version of it with which most
Christians disagree.

So if there is any dispute, it is Dumbo who is the heretic.

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:40:10 -0600,
Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:
> Earl Weber ("duke") <***@cox.net> wrote:


[ ... ]

> Not all Christians agree on all issues, and what Dumbo calls
> Christianity is a distinctly weird version of it with which most
> Christians disagree.
>
> So if there is any dispute, it is Dumbo who is the heretic.

INDEED!!! Here you go! ---

http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html

LOTS of good talking points for you to use!


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[pnyikos]

On Sep 22, 11:05 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://
www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: no
>
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:40:10 -0600,
>
> Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:
> >  Earl Weber ("duke") <***@cox.net> wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >       Not all Christians agree on all issues, and what Dumbo calls
> > Christianity is a distinctly weird version of it with which most
> > Christians disagree.
>
> >       So if there is any dispute, it is Dumbo who is the heretic.
>
>      INDEED!!!

Wrong. See my own follow-up to him a few minutes ago.


>  Here you go! ---
>
>              http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
>
>      LOTS of good talking points for you to use!

Don't flatter yourself. It's a mishmash of sophomoric bilge, dressed
up in Chiltonesque cutsey-poo.

Only the most naive biblical literalist or pharisee-analogue takes
commands necessary for those Caananite/Philistine-threatened days as
seriously as you think they do:

----------------- begin excerpt
What about shopping? Have you ever done it on Sunday? (Or Saturday, if
that happens to be your religion's sabbath?) Then, by golly, you've
broken yet another Commandment! Have you ever attended a seance?
Played with Tarot Cards? A Ouija Board? Had some tea leaves read, or
in any other way had dealings with a soothsayer or fortune teller? ANY
of those things? Yeah? Hoo boy!! You're in BIG trouble now! The Bible
says that associating one's self with attempting to divine the
future, or with trying to contact the spirit world is an "abomination"
to God, and engaging in any such practices carries a penalty of DEATH!
================ end of excerpt

You're catering to the village atheists with this bilge, Chilton.
Stop it.

Peter Nyikos

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

X-No-Archive: no

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 05:12:25 -0700 (PDT),
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>wrote:


>>  Here you go! ---
>>
>>               http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
>>
>>      LOTS of good talking points for you to use!

> Don't flatter yourself. It's a mishmash of sophomoric bilge, dressed
> up in Chiltonesque cutsey-poo.

You *say*, in LIEU of being able to DISPROVE any of the points
that I made in that article.

> Only the most naive biblical literalist or pharisee-analogue takes
> commands necessary for those Caananite/Philistine-threatened days as
> seriously as you think they do:
>
>----------------- begin excerpt

> What about shopping? Have you ever done it on Sunday? (Or Satur-
> day, if that happens to be your religion's sabbath?) Then, by golly, you've
> broken yet another Commandment! Have you ever attended a seance?
> Played with Tarot Cards? A Ouija Board? Had some tea leaves read, or
> in any other way had dealings with a soothsayer or fortune teller? ANY
> of those things? Yeah? Hoo boy!! You're in BIG trouble now! The Bible
> says that associating one's self with attempting to divine the future, or
> with trying to contact the spirit world is an "abomination" to God, and
> engaging in any such practices carries a penalty of DEATH!

>================ end of excerpt

> You're catering to the village atheists with this bilge, Chilton.
> Stop it.

I wil stop NOTHING, and you have *disproven* NOTHING.

That which I wrote is 100% in line with what the Bible says.

I don't think that you, or anyone else, would be able to disprove
ANYTHING that I wrote in that article.


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[pnyikos]

On Sep 28, 11:45 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://
www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: no
>
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 05:12:25 -0700 (PDT),
>
> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >  (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)  <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>wrote:
> >>  Here you go! ---
>
> >>              http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
>
> >>      LOTS of good talking points for you to use!
> >    Don't flatter yourself.  It's a mishmash of sophomoric bilge, dressed
> > up in Chiltonesque cutsey-poo.
>
>      You *say*, in LIEU of being able to DISPROVE any of the points
> that I made in that article.

On the contrary, it is you whose work is cut out for him to prove that
YOUR words, addressed to PRESENT-DAY readers, are as valid for them as
they were to the people to whom the original prohibitions were first
addressed. As I said before:

> >      Only the most naive biblical literalist or pharisee-analogue takes
> > commands necessary for those Caananite/Philistine-threatened days as
> > seriously as you think they do:

...where by "they" I meant what YOU call the RRR cult, and which goes
back to the time of the Apostles, or their immediate disciples, as I'm
explaining on another thread. This is the thread that started out
with a post by Jon Young supposedly summing up your Usenet history as
"Spam," and which has since grown to over 500 posts.

> >----------------- begin excerpt
> >    What about shopping? Have you ever done it on Sunday? (Or Satur-
> > day, if that happens to be your religion's sabbath?) Then, by golly, you've
> > broken yet another Commandment!

As did the disciples of Jesus when they plucked grain to feed
themselves; and so did Jesus when he did non-emergency healing on the
Sabbath.

> > Have you ever attended a seance?
> > Played with Tarot Cards? A Ouija Board? Had some tea leaves read, or
> > in any other way had dealings with a soothsayer or fortune teller? ANY
> > of those things? Yeah? Hoo boy!! You're in BIG trouble now! The Bible
> > says that associating one's self with attempting to divine the future, or
> > with trying to contact the spirit world is an "abomination" to God, and
> > engaging in any such practices carries a penalty of DEATH!
> >================ end of excerpt
> >      You're catering to the village atheists with this bilge, Chilton.
> > Stop it.
>
>      I wil stop NOTHING, and you have *disproven* NOTHING.

So when will the penalty of death be meted out to those who play with
an Ouija board, etc.?

Hmmmmmm........;.

>      That which I wrote is 100% in line with what the Bible says.

So is the law that all males must be circumcised, *rescinded* for non-
Jewish Christians in Acts 15.

So is the law against eating unclean animals, which was *rescinded*
for the Apostle Peter in Acts 10: 10-15, and for non-Jewish Christians
in general in Acts 15, along with many other precepts of the "law of
Moses" [Acts. 15: 5]

Most members of "the RRR cult," including the hierarchy of the Roman
Catholic Church, but even most evangelicals and fundamentalists, are
aware of these things, and so your opening paragraph in that benighted
website is fodder for village atheists, who like to rip Biblical
quotes out of context, but hardly anyone else.

>      I don't think that you, or anyone else, would be able to disprove
> ANYTHING that I wrote in that article.

If it hadn't been for all the dishonest fanatics making dishonest,
often slanderous attacks at me and Mosco and Osprey and many others,
I would have done so long ago. I've made various fits and starts at
it, but each time I broke off because of these despicable scoundrels.

I hope that will change as these people gradually stick their necks
out so far, that their attacks--which are almost never documented--
can be discredited simply by documenting their dishonesty with
IRREFUTABLE proof beyond a reasonable doubt.. I've done just that
with one of them a short while ago, but I won't say who it is because
you wouldn't be interested.

Peter Nyikos

Peter Nyikos

[Jude Alexander]

"pnyikos" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:55cf7b6e-fb75-4a83-b86f-***@d25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 28, 11:45 pm, "(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://
www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: no
>
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 05:12:25 -0700 (PDT),
>
> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>wrote:
> >> Here you go! ---
>
> >> http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
>
> >> LOTS of good talking points for you to use!
> > Don't flatter yourself. It's a mishmash of sophomoric bilge, dressed
> > up in Chiltonesque cutsey-poo.
>
> You *say*, in LIEU of being able to DISPROVE any of the points
> that I made in that article.

On the contrary, it is you whose work is cut out for him to prove that
YOUR words, addressed to PRESENT-DAY readers, are as valid for them as
they were to the people to whom the original prohibitions were first
addressed. As I said before:

> > Only the most naive biblical literalist or pharisee-analogue takes
> > commands necessary for those Caananite/Philistine-threatened days as
> > seriously as you think they do:

...where by "they" I meant what YOU call the RRR cult, and which goes
back to the time of the Apostles, or their immediate disciples, as I'm
explaining on another thread. This is the thread that started out
with a post by Jon Young supposedly summing up your Usenet history as
"Spam," and which has since grown to over 500 posts.

> >----------------- begin excerpt
> > What about shopping? Have you ever done it on Sunday? (Or Satur-
> > day, if that happens to be your religion's sabbath?) Then, by golly,
> > you've
> > broken yet another Commandment!

As did the disciples of Jesus when they plucked grain to feed
themselves; and so did Jesus when he did non-emergency healing on the
Sabbath.

No, Jesus didn't break any O.T. rule. It was rules from the Mishrah, not
O.T. There is NOTHING in the O.T. about not being able to do any work on
Sabbath IF it was something needed and Jesus pointed out that by example of
David eating the shewbread. Healing is not work because the healing comes
from God's power. If God didn't want healing to be done on Sabbath, then
there would have been no power to do so. It was summed up with the law was
made for man and not man for law. Iows, there were instances where the law
could be broken and no sin was committed, when the need of a person was
present. Was Jesus and his disciples to go without food. Was Jesus to walk
away from a request for healing? No. It doesn't matter if it wasn't an
"emergency."

> > Have you ever attended a seance?
> > Played with Tarot Cards? A Ouija Board? Had some tea leaves read, or
> > in any other way had dealings with a soothsayer or fortune teller? ANY
> > of those things? Yeah? Hoo boy!! You're in BIG trouble now! The Bible
> > says that associating one's self with attempting to divine the future,
> > or
> > with trying to contact the spirit world is an "abomination" to God, and
> > engaging in any such practices carries a penalty of DEATH!
> >================ end of excerpt
> > You're catering to the village atheists with this bilge, Chilton.
> > Stop it.
>
> I wil stop NOTHING, and you have *disproven* NOTHING.

So when will the penalty of death be meted out to those who play with
an Ouija board, etc.?

Hmmmmmm........;.

> That which I wrote is 100% in line with what the Bible says.

So is the law that all males must be circumcised, *rescinded* for non-
Jewish Christians in Acts 15.

So is the law against eating unclean animals, which was *rescinded*
for the Apostle Peter in Acts 10: 10-15, and for non-Jewish Christians
in general in Acts 15, along with many other precepts of the "law of
Moses" [Acts. 15: 5]

Most members of "the RRR cult," including the hierarchy of the Roman
Catholic Church, but even most evangelicals and fundamentalists, are
aware of these things, and so your opening paragraph in that benighted
website is fodder for village atheists, who like to rip Biblical
quotes out of context, but hardly anyone else.

> I don't think that you, or anyone else, would be able to disprove
> ANYTHING that I wrote in that article.

If it hadn't been for all the dishonest fanatics making dishonest,
often slanderous attacks at me and Mosco and Osprey and many others,
I would have done so long ago. I've made various fits and starts at
it, but each time I broke off because of these despicable scoundrels.

I hope that will change as these people gradually stick their necks
out so far, that their attacks--which are almost never documented--
can be discredited simply by documenting their dishonesty with
IRREFUTABLE proof beyond a reasonable doubt.. I've done just that
with one of them a short while ago, but I won't say who it is because
you wouldn't be interested.

Peter Nyikos

Peter Nyikos

[pnyikos]

On Oct 4, 12:41 pm, "Jude Alexander" <***@swampville.use> wrote:

...something which was not set off in any way from my words in the
post to which he was following up. I've set off his words by
****************** above and ############# below.

> "pnyikos" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:55cf7b6e-fb75-4a83-b86f-***@d25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 28, 11:45 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)  <http://
>
>
>
> www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
> > X-No-Archive: no
>
> > On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 05:12:25 -0700 (PDT),
>
> > pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>wrote:

> > > Only the most naive biblical literalist or pharisee-analogue takes
> > > commands necessary for those Caananite/Philistine-threatened days as
> > > seriously as you think they do:
>
> ...where by "they" I meant what YOU call the RRR cult, and which goes
> back to the time of the Apostles, or their immediate disciples, as I'm
> explaining on another thread.  This is the thread that started out
> with a post by Jon Young supposedly summing up your Usenet history as
> "Spam," and which has since grown to over 500 posts.
>
> > >----------------- begin excerpt
> > > What about shopping? Have you ever done it on Sunday? (Or Satur-
> > > day, if that happens to be your religion's sabbath?) Then, by golly,
> > > you've
> > > broken yet another Commandment!
>
> As did the disciples of Jesus when they plucked grain to feed
> themselves; and so did Jesus when he did non-emergency healing on the
> Sabbath.

****************************************************************************
> No, Jesus didn't break any O.T. rule.  It was rules from the Mishrah, not
> O.T.  There is NOTHING in the O.T. about not being able to do any work on
> Sabbath IF it was something needed and Jesus pointed out that by example of
> David eating the shewbread.
######################################################

Chilton did not distinguish between needful shopping and shopping that
could reasonably be postponed to another day. The Roman Catholic
Church further delineates "keeping the Lord's day holy" by saying that
one is required to abstain from unnecessary "servile" work. Thus if a
person like me, whose job requires little physical activity, does lots
of gardening on Sunday, that does not count as servile work but as a
form of recreation.

I do not know how modern-day evangelicals, who are "members of the RRR
cult" if they oppose abortion an same-sex marriage, view this. Some
Baptists still consider dancing to be a sin, whether it is done on the
sabbath or not; others consider dancing a sin if it is done on the
sabbath (which for them, as for Catholics, is Sunday).

**************************************************************************
>  Healing is not work because the healing comes
> from God's power.  If God didn't want healing to be done on Sabbath, then
> there would have been no power to do so.  It was summed up with the law was
> made for man and not man for law.
#####################################################

That was Jesus, putting it that way. Christians subscribe to his
words, but I wonder whether most Orthodox Jews do. I knew an Orthodox
Jew who would not even turn on a light on the Sabbath: it was
considered to be a violation of the prohibition of kindling a fire on
the Sabbath. So I do not know what their attitude is towards non-
emergency healing on the Sabbath.

Orthodox Jews *do* allow the Sabbath to be broken in case of
emergency. I wonder whether all Egyptian military were aware of this
when they launched the Yom Kippur War--on the holiest day of the whole
Jewish calendar. Were some of them expecting the Jewish military to
simply refuse to fight on that day?

Peter Nyikos

[Jude Alexander]

"pnyikos" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:247aa964-8361-4ead-9492-***@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 4, 12:41 pm, "Jude Alexander" <***@swampville.use> wrote:

...something which was not set off in any way from my words in the
post to which he was following up. I've set off his words by
****************** above and ############# below.

> "pnyikos" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:55cf7b6e-fb75-4a83-b86f-***@d25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 28, 11:45 pm, "(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://
>
>
>
> www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
> > X-No-Archive: no
>
> > On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 05:12:25 -0700 (PDT),
>
> > pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>wrote:

> > > Only the most naive biblical literalist or pharisee-analogue takes
> > > commands necessary for those Caananite/Philistine-threatened days as
> > > seriously as you think they do:
>
> ...where by "they" I meant what YOU call the RRR cult, and which goes
> back to the time of the Apostles, or their immediate disciples, as I'm
> explaining on another thread. This is the thread that started out
> with a post by Jon Young supposedly summing up your Usenet history as
> "Spam," and which has since grown to over 500 posts.
>
> > >----------------- begin excerpt
> > > What about shopping? Have you ever done it on Sunday? (Or Satur-
> > > day, if that happens to be your religion's sabbath?) Then, by golly,
> > > you've
> > > broken yet another Commandment!
>
> As did the disciples of Jesus when they plucked grain to feed
> themselves; and so did Jesus when he did non-emergency healing on the
> Sabbath.

****************************************************************************
> No, Jesus didn't break any O.T. rule. It was rules from the Mishrah, not
> O.T. There is NOTHING in the O.T. about not being able to do any work on
> Sabbath IF it was something needed and Jesus pointed out that by example
> of
> David eating the shewbread.
######################################################

Chilton did not distinguish between needful shopping and shopping that
could reasonably be postponed to another day. The Roman Catholic
Church further delineates "keeping the Lord's day holy" by saying that
one is required to abstain from unnecessary "servile" work. Thus if a
person like me, whose job requires little physical activity, does lots
of gardening on Sunday, that does not count as servile work but as a
form of recreation.

I do not know how modern-day evangelicals, who are "members of the RRR
cult" if they oppose abortion an same-sex marriage, view this. Some
Baptists still consider dancing to be a sin, whether it is done on the
sabbath or not; others consider dancing a sin if it is done on the
sabbath (which for them, as for Catholics, is Sunday).

**************************************************************************
> Healing is not work because the healing comes
> from God's power. If God didn't want healing to be done on Sabbath, then
> there would have been no power to do so. It was summed up with the law was
> made for man and not man for law.
#####################################################

That was Jesus, putting it that way. Christians subscribe to his
words, but I wonder whether most Orthodox Jews do. I knew an Orthodox
Jew who would not even turn on a light on the Sabbath: it was
considered to be a violation of the prohibition of kindling a fire on
the Sabbath. So I do not know what their attitude is towards non-
emergency healing on the Sabbath.

Orthodox Jews *do* allow the Sabbath to be broken in case of
emergency. I wonder whether all Egyptian military were aware of this
when they launched the Yom Kippur War--on the holiest day of the whole
Jewish calendar. Were some of them expecting the Jewish military to
simply refuse to fight on that day?

Peter Nyikos

Goes to show you how ridiculous some people will go. Obviously, the intent
was the regular work to make $.

[RamRod Sword of Baal]

"pnyikos" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:247aa964-8361-4ead-9492-***@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 4, 12:41 pm, "Jude Alexander" <***@swampville.use> wrote:

> Chilton did not distinguish between needful shopping and shopping that
> could reasonably be postponed to another day. The Roman Catholic
> Church further delineates "keeping the Lord's day holy" by saying that
> one is required to abstain from unnecessary "servile" work. Thus if a
> person like me, whose job requires little physical activity, does lots
> of gardening on Sunday, that does not count as servile work but as a
> form of recreation.

So do you obey or recognize these laws from the Bible?

"If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness,
he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood.
Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18)

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from
them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents
living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they
will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your
beard." (Leviticus 19:27)

"...and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet
does not chew the cud, is unclean to you." (Leviticus 11:7)

"...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material
woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)

"They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their
flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination." (Leviticus
11:11)

'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done
what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their
own heads. (Leviticus 20:13)

"Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an
abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:12)

???????????????????????

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org>]

X-No-Archive: no

On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:16:26 +1000,
"RamRod Sword of Baal" <***@truthonly.com> wrote:
> "pnyikos" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> "Jude Alexander" <***@swampville.use> wrote:


>> Chilton did not distinguish between needful shopping and shopping that
>> could reasonably be postponed to another day. The Roman Catholic
>> Church further delineates "keeping the Lord's day holy" by saying that
>> one is required to abstain from unnecessary "servile" work. Thus if a
>> person like me, whose job requires little physical activity, does lots
>> of gardening on Sunday, that does not count as servile work but as a
>> form of recreation.

> So do you obey or recognize these laws from the Bible?
>
>"If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness,
>he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood.
>Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18)
>
>"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from
>them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents
>living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they
>will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)
>
>"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your
>beard." (Leviticus 19:27)
>
>"...and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet
>does not chew the cud, is unclean to you." (Leviticus 11:7)
>
>"...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material
>woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)
>
>"They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their
>flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination." (Leviticus
>11:11)
>
>'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done
>what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their
>own heads. (Leviticus 20:13)
>
>"Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an
>abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:12)
>
>???????????????????????

What do you wanna bet that all of the IRONY that your above-
cited passages reveal in the homophobia of PSEUDO-Christian bigots
just SAILS right over their tinfoil hats, propeller and all?

Do I have any takers?


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

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[pnyikos]

On Oct 8, 3:21 am, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://
www.TravelForPay.org>" <***@m.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: no
>
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:16:26 +1000,
> "RamRod  Sword of Baal" <***@truthonly.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >   "pnyikos" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>  "Jude Alexander" <***@swampville.use> wrote:
> >> Chilton did not distinguish between needful shopping and shopping that
> >> could reasonably be postponed to another day.  The Roman Catholic
> >> Church further delineates "keeping the Lord's day holy" by saying that
> >> one is required to abstain from unnecessary "servile" work.  Thus if a
> >> person like me, whose job requires little physical activity, does lots
> >> of gardening on Sunday, that does not count as servile work but as a
> >> form of recreation.
> >    So do you obey or recognize these laws from the Bible?
>
> >"If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness,
> >he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood.

I not only recognize this one, I have always obeyed it even though the
Roman Catholic Church no longer considers it sinful.

Do YOU think it is sinful for any man calling himself a Christian,
Craig?


> >Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18)
>
> >"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from
> >them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents
> >living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they
> >will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

I certainly wouldn't dream of having slaves even if it were legal.
I'm not sure the Roman Catholic Church considers the keeping of slaves
to be a sin in the present day world, but it certainly recognizes
laws against it as just laws, as long as the penalty isn't too
disproportionate to the crime. [Execution of slave owners would be
disproportionate, and the RCC is against the death penalty in any
region with adequate means of incarceration, such as the USA.]

> >"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your
> >beard." (Leviticus 19:27)
>
> >"...and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet
> >does not chew the cud, is unclean to you." (Leviticus 11:7)
>
> >"...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material
> >woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)
>
> >"They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their
> >flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination." (Leviticus
> >11:11)
>
> >'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done
> >what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their
> >own heads.  (Leviticus 20:13)

Note the penalty attached to this one: though obsolete, and opposed by
the RCC [see above] it indicates that it was considered to be of far
greater gravity than violation of the other precepts here.

YOU don't think it is an abormination, obviously. What is YOUR reason
for giving your FULL approval of such acts despite the clear
indication that Leviticus puts it in a totally different category from
the other precepts?

> >"Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an
> >abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:12)

...but there is no death penalty for it in the Bible.

> >???????????????????????

>        What do you wanna bet that all of the IRONY that your above-
> cited passages reveal in the homophobia of PSEUDO-Christian bigots
> just SAILS right over their tinfoil hats, propeller and all?

I'd like for you to tell me just WHAT the irony consists of, in the
above decidedly mixed bag. I note that you did not follow up to the
post where I wrote the following in response to YOU:

"Most members of "the RRR cult," including the hierarchy of the Roman
Catholic Church, but even most evangelicals and fundamentalists, are
aware of these things, and so your opening paragraph in that benighted
website is fodder for village atheists, who like to rip Biblical
quotes out of context, but hardly anyone else."

Had you responded, you'd have an easier time of it now; as it is, you
have your work cut out for you.

>        Do I have any takers?

See above. Will I get a response out of you this time? Or will you
be relying on Jude Alexander, Ramrod Sword of Baal, or whoever, to
cover your ass?

Peter Nyikos

[pnyikos]

On Sep 22, 7:40 pm, Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:
> In article <***@4ax.com>,
>
>  duke <***@cox.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:38:05 -0500, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
> > <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
>
> > >X-No-Archive: no
>
> > >On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT),
> > >pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > >>       Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> > >> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.  
>
> > And his love for killing the unborn and queer sex have sealed the deal.
>
> Not all Christians agree on all issues, and what Dumbo calls
> Christianity is a distinctly weird version of it with which most
> Christians disagree.

That is not in evidence here.

> So if there is any dispute, it is Dumbo who is the heretic.

Non sequitur. His triumphalist brand of Roman Catholicism is out of
fashion, though not considered heretical.

Heresy and dissolute morality are two entirely different issues.
Let's not confuse them.

Peter Nyikos

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:28:36 -0500,
Earl Weber ("duke") <***@cox.net> wrote...


Sensible and truthful portions retained, below.

<FLUSSSSHHHHhhhhhhhh••••••!!!!!>

Awww. Too bad. Nothing left. Except for
the one who posted the above, now-disposed-of
swill =>=
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[The Chief Instigator]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:28:36 -0500, duke <***@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:38:05 -0500, "(?`?.?Craig Chilton?.???)
><http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
>
>>X-No-Archive: no
>>
>>On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT),
>>pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
>>> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.
>
> And his love for killing the unborn and queer sex have sealed the deal.

Exodus 20:16, Asshole Weber.

--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (***@prismnet.com) Houston, TX
www.prismnet.com/~patrick (TCI's 2009-10 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 3, Houston 2 (April 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 9 at Oklahoma City, 7:05

[pnyikos]

On Sep 22, 11:15 pm, The Chief Instigator <***@io.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:28:36 -0500, duke <***@cox.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:38:05 -0500, "(?`?.?Craig Chilton?.???)
> ><http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
>
> >>X-No-Archive: no
>
> >>On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT),
> >>pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >>>       Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> >>> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian.  
>
> > And his love for killing the unborn and queer sex have sealed the deal.
>
> Exodus 20:16, Asshole Weber.

Now try to argue that it APPLIES, Chief Idiot.

Your reasoning abilities have atrophied due to long disuse, made
possible by the increasing dominance of talk.abortion by Keegan, to
whose lies and outright libel you've repeatedly shackled yourself. It
is only because he's rounded up a dozen or more allies that you
haven't long ago been relegated to the ranks of people not worth
bothering with.

You once had a much saner attitude towards him, but you couldn't
resist jumping on his bandwagon when one sensible regular after
another quit the newsgroup. Where is Bruce Forest? Where is Stephen
Matheson? Where is Malapert? Even M. Price and Osmo Ronkanen were
more sensible than the Cozy Clique to which you belong now. Even
sexkitten seems to have given up on this godforsaken newsgroup.

Peter Nyikos

[The Chief Instigator]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 05:18:36 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 11:15?pm, The Chief Instigator <***@io.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:28:36 -0500, duke <***@cox.net> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:38:05 -0500, "(?`?.?Craig Chilton?.???)
>> ><http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>X-No-Archive: no
>>
>> >>On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT),
>> >>pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>> ? ? ? Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
>> >>> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian. ?
>>
>> > And his love for killing the unborn and queer sex have sealed the deal.
>>
>> Exodus 20:16, Asshole Weber.
>
> Now try to argue that it APPLIES, Chief Idiot.
>
> Your reasoning abilities have atrophied due to long disuse, made
> possible by the increasing dominance of talk.abortion by Keegan, to
> whose lies and outright libel you've repeatedly shackled yourself. It
> is only because he's rounded up a dozen or more allies that you
> haven't long ago been relegated to the ranks of people not worth
> bothering with.
>
> You once had a much saner attitude towards him, but you couldn't
> resist jumping on his bandwagon when one sensible regular after
> another quit the newsgroup. Where is Bruce Forest? Where is Stephen
> Matheson? Where is Malapert? Even M. Price and Osmo Ronkanen were
> more sensible than the Cozy Clique to which you belong now. Even
> sexkitten seems to have given up on this godforsaken newsgroup.
>
> Peter Nyikos

Piss up the proverbial rope, Phony. You're a bleedin' paranoid. If this
newsgroup is lower than your sorry standards, why can't you avoid it? I'm
no member of a clique, no matter how much you whine. You've managed to
descend farther than Wentzky, who's apparently returned to a lawful life.

--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (***@io.com) Houston, TX
www.prismnet.com/~patrick (TCI's 2009-10 Houston Aeros) AA#2237
LAST GAME: San Antonio 3, Houston 2 (April 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 9 at Oklahoma City, 7:05

[pnyikos]

On Sep 28, 6:57 pm, The Chief Instigator <***@io.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 05:18:36 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > On Sep 22, 11:15?pm, The Chief Instigator <***@io.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:28:36 -0500, duke <***@cox.net> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:38:05 -0500, "(?`?.?Craig Chilton?.???)
> >> ><http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>X-No-Archive: no
>
> >> >>On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT),
> >> >>pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >> >>> ? ? ? Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> >> >>> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian. ?
>
> >> > And his love for killing the unborn and queer sex have sealed the deal.
>
> >> Exodus 20:16, Asshole Weber.
>
> > Now try to argue that it APPLIES, Chief Idiot.

<crickets chirping>

> > Your reasoning abilities have atrophied due to long disuse, made
> > possible by the increasing dominance of talk.abortion by Keegan, to
> > whose lies and outright libel you've repeatedly shackled yourself.  It
> > is only because he's rounded up a dozen or more allies that you
> > haven't long ago been relegated to the ranks of people not worth
> > bothering with.

> > You once had a much saner attitude towards him, but you couldn't
> > resist jumping on his bandwagon when one sensible regular after
> > another quit the newsgroup.  Where is Bruce Forest?  Where is Stephen
> > Matheson?  Where is Malapert? Even M. Price and Osmo Ronkanen were
> > more sensible than the Cozy Clique to which you belong now.  Even
> > sexkitten seems to have given up on this godforsaken newsgroup.
>
> > Peter Nyikos
>
> Piss up the proverbial rope, Phony.  You're a bleedin' paranoid.

As usual, you are misusing the word "paranoid".

> If this
> newsgroup is lower than your sorry standards, why can't you avoid it?

I did once, for eleven years, and I may avoid it again for years at a
time. These last two years I have been lending a hand to all who have
the courage to stand up to despicable scoundrels like you.

I know it's a long shot to try to get talk.abortion back to even where
it was in the mid-1990's but as long as decent people post here, they
deserve to know that the people who attack them are devoid of any
*objective* claim to credibility.

Such is the case with IAAH, who tried to set up a smokescreen for your
personal friend, Keegan, and wound up spouting a PROVABLE lie, thereby
destroying his claim to objective credibility. The proof is in the
post archived in:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/826bd1d6702c30ac


> I'm
> no member of a clique, no matter how much you whine.

As I hinted up there in the post to which you are following up, you've
shackled yourself to a PROVEN slander by Keegan, whereby he lied that
I had ducked a challenge by you, and he did it in DIRECT follow-up to
my PROVABLY meeting your challenge.

He is one member of the clique to which you have shackled yourself,
both by your support of Keegan's slander and by your support of
slanders of me and Osprey by another personal friend, one of the (one
or more) people posting as "Spartakus".

"Spartakus" is the mainstay of the clique, propping up the otherwise
pathetic habitual liars Keegan and Fischer, who in turn prop up other
members of the clique, including yourseff. One person posting as
"Spartakus" is unique in all the clique in his ability to counterfeit
sincerity to an astonishing degree in the service of dishonesty by
others, and by himself.

You, on the other hand, are incapable of counterfeiting sincerity to
any useful degree where attacks on others are concerned. [Being
sincere about your family and your daily life is a different matter
altogether.]

> You've managed to
> descend farther than Wentzky, who's apparently returned to a lawful life.

I am a law-abiding person, and so you are apparently demonstrating
your undying loyalty to Keegan and Spartakus and to yourself: you are
apparently displaying a shamelessly self-centered morality in which
anyone who that exposes y'all for the scoundrels that y'all are, has
descended in your eyes to a depth greater than that of a common
criminal.

That kind of "morality" is one thing your atheism makes easy. It's a
good thing that, as both I and Chilton can testify, most atheists we
know don't display that kind of morality.

Peter Nyikos

[james g. keegan jr.]

In article
<cd9240b1-239a-49e9-a788-***@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Sep 28, 6:57 pm, The Chief Instigator <***@io.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 05:18:36 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > On Sep 22, 11:15?pm, The Chief Instigator <***@io.com> wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:28:36 -0500, duke <***@cox.net> wrote:
> > >> > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:38:05 -0500, "(?`?.?Craig Chilton?.???)
> > >> ><http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <***@n.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> >>X-No-Archive: no
> >
> > >> >>On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT),
> > >> >>pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> >>> ? ? ? Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already
> > >> >>> cast some doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian. ?
> >
> > >> > And his love for killing the unborn and queer sex have sealed the
> > >> > deal.
> >
> > >> Exodus 20:16, Asshole Weber.
> >
> > > Now try to argue that it APPLIES, Chief Idiot.
>
> <crickets chirping>


and here the plagiarist posting as peter nyikos apparently forgot to
change his username for this post.

ha ha ha. he gave himself away.

what's up poopsie, are you ashamed to post with your name?

[Ken]

On Sep 20, 9:41 am, "Shit4Brains" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> By what objective standard are you using to determine if one is a real
> Christian, a follower of Christ ?   Please list the specific standard.

How about YOU backing up YOUR own bullshit for a change, ya
dicksucker?!?

Dave saz: "Did you know that radiocarbon dating may
offer supporting evidence for Noah's Flood?"

Dave Saz: "However, THIS one is Creationists can certainly
prove an intelligent Designer/Creator for the Cosmos"

Dave saz: "If you cant see the vast evidences for special
Creation..." there is good evidence that the leviathan described in
the book of Job was a large dinosaur

Dave saz: "Come to Jesus who is THIS personal theistic
Creator as proven by the historical evidence available to all"

Dave Saz: "Theres very compelling evidences for a Young Earth"

Dave saz: "Theres plenty of evidence for the
bible being totally consistent with modern science"

Where's all this "proof and evidence", FOOL?

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT),
Ken <***@earthlink.net> wrote:



> How about YOU backing up YOUR own bullshit for
> a change, ya dicksucker?!?

WHY didn't you ask him THIS instead? ---

> How about YOU backing up YOUR own bullshit for
> a change, ya left-hander?!?

OR...

> How about YOU backing up YOUR own bullshit for
> a change, ya blue-eyed person?!?

...since ALL of those questions would be *equally* STUPID.

One of the BEST ways for a person to *prove* to everyone
that he is a social RETARD is to let it be known that he would
waste even a *nanosecond* being the LEAST bit concerned
about how OTHER people, gay or straight, happen to have sex.
That's ALL the proof anyone would need to see, to know that
the person is a DOLT who has NO life.

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Homophobic TROGLODYTES are on their way OUT!

The Gay Rights movement isn't going away. Society will continue to
evolve, and eventually people will look back on discrimination against
gays the way we look back on discrimination against blacks and women,
and wonder how people could ever have been such troglodytes.

--Mark A., 12-3-09

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[duke]

On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian. Here is a
>follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole Judeo-Christian
>foundation on which I am challenging him today.

He might think he is, but nobody else does. He's what is called a
backslider of the worst kind.

[(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:24:50 -0500,
Earl Weber ("duke") <***@cox.net> wrote:
> pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net>wrote:


>> Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching...

...are totally SENSIBLE.

<idiocy by Earl flushed>


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)

http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

[Virgil]

In article <***@4ax.com>,
duke <***@cox.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
> >doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian. Here is a
> >follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole Judeo-Christian
> >foundation on which I am challenging him today.
>
> He might think he is, but nobody else does. He's what is called a
> backslider of the worst kind.

No one as corrupt as Dumbo has the authority to label anyone as a
backslider.

[duke]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:28:58 -0600, Virgil <***@home.esc> wrote:

>In article <***@4ax.com>,
> duke <***@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:44:37 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos <***@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Chilton's views on Jesus's teaching on divorce have already cast some
>> >doubts on whether he is lying about being a Christian. Here is a
>> >follow-up on an entirely different aspect of the whole Judeo-Christian
>> >foundation on which I am challenging him today.
>>
>> He might think he is, but nobody else does. He's what is called a
>> backslider of the worst kind.
>
>No one as corrupt as Dumbo has the authority to label anyone as a
>backslider.

Actually that's right. His problem is with God.